All of you guys who say you'll never vote for Obama

[Trash]

Originally Posted by snakesht

According to the Washington Post:
Sen.Barack Obama(D-Ill.)

Net worth: $1-$2.5 million*

Details: In January 2005, Obama agreed to a $1.9 million advance from Random House for two non-ficton books and a children's book, of which $200,000 is being donated to charity. One of those books -- "The Audacity of Hope" -- has been a huge best seller since being released in October. He owns a home worth at least $1.6 million in Chicago.

*His wealth is likely to have increased significantly because of the huge success of "The Audacity of Hope"

That's a couple of McCain credit card bills.

[iaresev]

Vote for Mccain, maybe nude photos of his "hot" wife will get leaked.

[snakesht]

Originally Posted by Trash

That's a couple of McCain credit card bills.

Could be right, but I don't think that was the question.

No doubt he's doing ok for himself, eh?

[flylooper]

Originally Posted by iaresev

Vote for Mccain, maybe nude photos of his "hot" wife will get leaked.

She may not be "hot" to you, but to us seniors the facelifts, boob lifts, tummy tucks, and bottled blond hair, not to mention owning a fortune estimated at $100 million, 7 houses - and never having to pay for a bottle of beer for the rest of your days....Who cares that she can't bake her own cookies?

Dude......that's prime.

[baldheadeddork]

Originally Posted by YamahaFreak

Regarding the McCain story above---what a non story and waste of bandwidth.

Really? I think how someone runs their personal affairs is a great way to see the kind of character and judgment they'll bring to the presidency. Do they practice in their own lives what they say they'll do in office?

Put it another way, as someone said, character is what you do when you think no one is looking.

Or to put it another way, this kind of examination is something all of us go through whenever we apply for a new job, because it is widely believed that your credit history is a good indicator of your character. Why should the next president be any different?

Carrying six-figure credit card balances at 15-25% interest is an incredibly stupid way to handle your money, regardless of how much you're worth. McCain talks a lot about his fiscal discipline. If he can't master something this basic with his family's own money, what kind of discipline can we expect him to show when he's writing the budget and setting tax policies?

I think this is a hell of a lot more relevant than what someone's minister said.

Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer

BHD, why bother? You know "all of [these] guys who say [they]'ll never vote for Obama" don't care what McCain brings. They're gonna vote Republican no matter what, and they'll use the most petty and ridiculous excuses like flag pins and hand-over-heart or "did-you-hear-what-his-wife-said" to not vote for the guy.

I know that. I just noticed that Deek and Smith were posting daily "OMG! Lookie at what Obama did!!! THE END OF THE WORLD IS NEAR IF HE WINS!!!" threads. I wanted to remind everyone that there are two people in this race. I know they're going to vote for McCain - I just want everyone to see what they'll get.

Here's one for today. Maybe John McCain should borrow Larry Craig's line about having a wide stance, because that might help explain how he's able to take both sides on any issue.

The past couple of weeks have been especially difficult when it comes to McCain flip-flops.

* McCain supported the drilling moratorium; now he’s against it.

* McCain strongly opposes a windfall-tax on oil company profits. Three weeks earlier, he was perfectly comfortable with the idea.

* McCain thought Bush’s warrantless-wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite.

* McCain defended “privatizing” Social Security. Now he says he’s against privatization (though he actually still supports it.)

Wait, I’m not done with the last two weeks yet….

* McCain wanted to change the Republican Party platform to protect abortion rights in cases of rape and incest. Now he doesn’t.

* McCain thought the estate tax was perfectly fair. Now he believes the opposite.

* He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion, he called it “one of the worst decisions in the history of this country.”

* McCain said he would “not impose a litmus test on any nominee.” He used to promise the opposite.

And these come after these other reversals from April and May:

* McCain believes the telecoms should be forced to explain their role in the administration’s warrantless surveillance program as a condition for retroactive immunity. He used to believe the opposite.

* McCain supported storing spent nuclear fuel at Yucca Mountain in Nevada. Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain supported moving “towards normalization of relations” with Cuba. Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Hamas. Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Syria. Now he believes the opposite.

* He argued the NRA should not have a role in the Republican Party’s policy making. Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain supported his own lobbying-reform legislation from 1997. Now he doesn’t.

* He wanted political support from radical televangelists like John Hagee and Rod Parsley. Now he doesn’t.

* McCain supported the Lieberman/Warner legislation to combat global warming. Now he doesn’t.

And these are the flip-flops I’ve noticed earlier:

* McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a “‘read my lips’ candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?” referring to George H.W. Bush’s 1988 pledge. “No new taxes,” McCain responded. Two weeks later, McCain said, “I’m not making a ‘read my lips’ statement, in that I will not raise taxes.”

* McCain is both for and against a “rogue state rollback” as a focus of his foreign policy vision.

* McCain says he considered and did not consider joining John Kerry’s Democratic ticket in 2004.

* In 1998, he championed raising cigarette taxes to fund programs to cut underage smoking, insisting that it would prevent illnesses and provide resources for public health programs. Now, McCain opposes a $0.61-per-pack tax increase, won’t commit to supporting a regulation bill he’s co-sponsoring, and has hired Philip Morris’ former lobbyist as his senior campaign adviser.

* McCain has changed his economic worldview on multiple occasions.

* McCain has changed his mind about a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq on multiple occasions.

* McCain is both for and against attacking Barack Obama over his former pastor at his former church.

* McCain believes Americans are both better and worse off than they were before Bush took office.

* McCain is both for and against earmarks for Arizona.

* McCain believes his endorsement from radical televangelist John Hagee was both a good and bad idea.

* McCain’s first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn’t be “rewarded” for acting “irresponsibly.” His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite position.

* McCain vowed, if elected, to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term. Soon after, he decided he would no longer even try to reach that goal.

* In February 2008, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding.

* McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty’s behalf before a Senate committee. Now he opposes it.

* McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants’ kids who graduate from high school. Now he’s against it.

* On immigration policy in general, McCain announced in February 2008 that he would vote against his own legislation.

* In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving “feedback” on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure.

* McCain said before the war in Iraq, “We will win this conflict. We will win it easily.” Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was “probably going to be long and hard and tough.”

* McCain said he was the “greatest critic” of Rumsfeld’s failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as “a mission accomplished.” In March 2004, he said, “I’m confident we’re on the right course.” In December 2005, he said, “Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course.”

* McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite.

* McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed, to saying gay marriage shouldn’t be allowed.

* McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks.

* McCain used to oppose Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February.

* On a related note, he said 2005 that he opposed the tax cuts because they were “too tilted to the wealthy.” By 2007, he denied ever having said this, and insisted he opposed the cuts because of increased government spending.

* In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June 2007, he abandoned his own legislation.

* McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr., before he supported it.

* McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.

* McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.

* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

* McCain decided in 2000 that he didn’t want anything to do with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, believing he “would taint the image of the ‘Straight Talk Express.’” Kissinger is now the Honorary Co-Chair for his presidential campaign in New York.

McCain's lying about his past stances is nothing new. But if you're going to vote for him - exactly what do you think you're getting? Which position is he going to agree with if he gets into the White House? And how do you square all of this with McCain's constant insistence that he's got the backbone to stick with an unpopular position?

[Dakota Kid]

[quote=baldheadeddork;3643706]Really? I think how someone runs their personal affairs is a great way to see the kind of character and judgment they'll bring to the presidency. Do they practice in their own lives what they say they'll do in office?

Put it another way, as someone said, character is what you do when you think no one is looking.


Did you vote for Bill Clinton? Sorry, that IMMEDIATELY came to mind when I read this.

[Trash]

Originally Posted by baldheadeddork

Really? I think how someone runs their personal affairs is a great way to see the kind of character and judgment they'll bring to the presidency. Do they practice in their own lives what they say they'll do in office?

Put it another way, as someone said, character is what you do when you think no one is looking.

Or to put it another way, this kind of examination is something all of us go through whenever we apply for a new job, because it is widely believed that your credit history is a good indicator of your character. Why should the next president be any different?

Carrying six-figure credit card balances at 15-25% interest is an incredibly stupid way to handle your money, regardless of how much you're worth. McCain talks a lot about his fiscal discipline. If he can't master something this basic with his family's own money, what kind of discipline can we expect him to show when he's writing the budget and setting tax policies?

I think this is a hell of a lot more relevant than what someone's minister said.





I know that. I just noticed that Deek and Smith were posting daily "OMG! Lookie at what Obama did!!! THE END OF THE WORLD IS NEAR IF HE WINS!!!" threads. I wanted to remind everyone that there are two people in this race. I know they're going to vote for McCain - I just want everyone to see what they'll get.

Here's one for today. Maybe John McCain should borrow Larry Craig's line about having a wide stance, because that might help explain how he's able to take both sides on any issue.




McCain's lying about his past stances is nothing new. But if you're going to vote for him - exactly what do you think you're getting? Which position is he going to agree with if he gets into the White House? And how do you square all of this with McCain's constant insistence that he's got the backbone to stick with an unpopular position?

Wow thanks for denigrating his military service there Mr. Dork.

Seriously, is there any important issue he hasn't flip-flopped on?

[Dakota Kid]

McCain is just a politician, yes he has flip-flopped on numerous issues.

But at least he HAS a record.

[Mr. Whippy]

McCain was a very worthy candidate. I have no problem with his record or how he generally conducts his business or private life. My point about McCain is: He was the best candidate in 2000.

In 2008, he's too old to be president. Sorry, biology is not on his side.

[Dakota Kid]

Originally Posted by Mr. Whippy

McCain was a very worthy candidate. I have no problem with his record or how he generally conducts his business or private life. My point about McCain is: He was the best candidate in 2000.

In 2008, he's too old to be president. Sorry, biology is not on his side.

Not necessarily. His mother is 96 and sharp as a tack. Amazing.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally Posted by SXSMITH

Did you not see the original post indicating we should not like McCain because his wife has $100m?

Insisting on playing dumb, huh? You should know better than that, Smith.

Originally Posted by SXSMITH

And ugly.

I know what you look like, and you have absolutely zero room to talk about 'ugly'.

[Mr. Whippy]

Originally Posted by Dakota Kid

Not necessarily. His mother is 96 and sharp as a tack. Amazing.

Being Alert and OX3 doesn't isn't exactly my idea presidental timbre. There's a level of energy needed especially during stressful times that the elderly, in general, just cannot tolerate. Plus, they don't have the physical reserves to withstand weeks of suboptimal rest, diet and excessive stress.

Them's the facts.

[Dakota Kid]

John McCain is not your average 73 year old. I bet few of us here could keep pace with him.

[SXSMITH]

Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer

I know what you look like, and you have absolutely zero room to talk about 'ugly'.

I'm still trying to get my mind around another guy knowing if I'm ugly or not. I still get a lot of women.

[Mr. Whippy]

Originally Posted by Dakota Kid

John McCain is not your average 73 year old. I bet few of us here could keep pace with him.

I'd take that bet. Anyone under 50 will outperform him on test where there is chronic sleep deprivation followed by a test of mental agility, memory or problem solving. (Assuming the person under 50 isn't on Chemotherapy or has a concomitant severe chronic illness).

It's just the way it is, biologically speaking.

I still think the guy has an excellent record professionally (except for that Keating-5 thing). In 2000, I'd have voted for him.