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Old 06-18-2008, 09:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I just have a couple of questions for you guys if thats alright.

1. What keeps you from believing in God?

2. Would it not make you feel comfortable to think (even if you were wrong) that eternal paradise is waiting for you after death?

3. That Christians are not just trying to annoy you but in fact are just doing what they feel they have been called to do, which is spread the word of Jesus.
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I just have a couple of questions for you guys if thats alright.

1. What keeps you from believing in God?

2. Would it not make you feel comfortable to think (even if you were wrong) that eternal paradise is waiting for you after death?

3. That Christians are not just trying to annoy you but in fact are just doing what they feel they have been called to do, which is spread the word of Jesus.
You said a couple.

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Old 06-18-2008, 10:46 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Show me evidence. Besides a book that has been rewritten more times than you have fingers, and toes.

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So I have to DIE, and leave my love ones here on earth to live in paradise. And wait for them to DIE to see them again... Yea, I'll pass.


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If I wanted to be "saved" I'll go to a church...
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"Jesus" was crucified for being a truth bringer and thereby challenging the power of the Pharisee controllers. No one takes responsibility for your own errors/"sins" but yourself. That nonsense that he died as a ransom for everyones misdeeds is utterly false and twisted, and despite being the cornerstone of the religion of Christianity, in my opinion it is probably the greatest obstacle to people accepting the existence of a Creator. The cult of Christianity like all religions is a control mechanism, and you gotta sift through alot of the doctrine to get to the essence of the truth.
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I have seen enough to know no God I would love would do what he has done.

The rest of the questions are irrelevant.
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I just have a couple of questions for you guys if thats alright.

1. What keeps you from believing in God?
A solid Religion must have 3 things:
1) A Teaching
2) A Practice
3) Actual Proof
If "God" is a single being, then no, I don't believe in "God", but if u said that "God" is the embodiment of everything that exists in the Universe then I can say I believe in "God"..
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Actually, that would scare me.. That would mean that this eternal paradise is more crowded than the Chinese population living in Guam.. and imagine all the ignorant Cagers that may exist to run me over while cruisin on my bike.. not to mention there would be a HUGE language barrier.. Can u imagine talkin to someone from say the Roman times.. Shoot.. No way they'd understand the words that come out of my mouth.. Even tho I did take 4 years of Latin, but still.. I butchered Latin and the Engrish ranguage.. LoL..

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LoL.. same thing as any other faith..

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Now I got a question for you..
If:
I'm not a Christian...
Do not believe in God...
Do not believe in Heaven as an eternal paradise..
Do not believe in Hell as an eternal ,well, Hell..
Do believe that the Bible has been rewritten to suit the needs of the corrupt in power..
Do not believe that Moses parted the ocean..
Does that mean I'll go to hell even though I lead a life with good intent?
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I just have a couple of questions for you guys if thats alright.

1. What keeps you from believing in God?

2. Would it not make you feel comfortable to think (even if you were wrong) that eternal paradise is waiting for you after death?

3. That Christians are not just trying to annoy you but in fact are just doing what they feel they have been called to do, which is spread the word of Jesus.
1. aside from having an IQ larger then my shoe size, there is logic, oh and best of all. Google image "Progeria". That is pure proof that god is either not perfect or not merciful, and if he is neither then why worship a fuckup?

2. Nope, it doesnt make me comfortable. Where exactly is this "paradise" at??

3. Spreading ignorance, bigotry, and nonsense(christianity) should be considered a crime against humanity. Keep your stupidity to yourself. The world is dumb enough as it is.
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I just have a couple of questions for you guys if thats alright.

1. What keeps you from believing in God?

2. Would it not make you feel comfortable to think (even if you were wrong) that eternal paradise is waiting for you after death?

3. That Christians are not just trying to annoy you but in fact are just doing what they feel they have been called to do, which is spread the word of Jesus.
1. That type of belief simply doesn't register with me. I'm a here-and-now person. Furthermore, the God depicted in the Old and New Testaments and the Koran, Jehova, Yahweh (sp?), Allah.... well, all I can say is I don't find much to be inspired by. Those Gods, or God, seem like nothing more than a reflection and magnification of what's both good and terrible in human beings. So I'm just not interested.

2. No. I'm not a pie-in-the-sky kind of person. What matters is what we do here and now. After that, you're either ashes, worm food, or bait. Life after death is living on in the memories of those you've touched while you were alive.

3. You're still annoying when you 'spread the word'. Sorry, you just are. Seems like Jesus was a pretty spectacular human being. It's a shame the reality of Jesus the man got twisted up in the myth of Jesus the Son of God. That Jesus the Personal Lord and Savior business may work for you, and that's wonderful, but I don't want to listen to you make your pitch for Jesus any more than I want to listen to Ben Stein reciting tax code while being accompanied by Liberace.

YMMV, I only speak for myself.
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Now I got a question for you..
If:
I'm not a Christian...
Do not believe in God...
Do not believe in Heaven as an eternal paradise..
Do not believe in Hell as an eternal ,well, Hell..
Do believe that the Bible has been rewritten to suit the needs of the corrupt in power..
Do not believe that Moses parted the ocean..
Does that mean I'll go to hell even though I lead a life with good intent?
Yes, according to the fundamentalists and born-agains I have asked that question. Their answer has always been the same: You have a choice.

Always felt like having some sort of God-gun pointed at my head which just never set well with me.
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The whole idea of fire and brimstone is a relatively modern invention. It came about with Dante Aligiheri's Devine Comedy.

Prior to that (and in sane churches today) it simply means that you are separated from God. For people who are not inclined to faith, that is already the case.
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I just have a couple of questions for you guys if thats alright.

1. What keeps you from believing in God?

2. Would it not make you feel comfortable to think (even if you were wrong) that eternal paradise is waiting for you after death?

3. That Christians are not just trying to annoy you but in fact are just doing what they feel they have been called to do, which is spread the word of Jesus.

Throughout time Christian Missionaries have fucked everything up, so the least I need/want is for somebody coming up to me trying to preach their christian way of life to me.

I grew up surrounded by my baptist relatives I went to "church" when I was younger, all that jazz, so I don't care to talk to ANYONE expressing their religious beliefs to me, it does nothing but anger me, around here you can see a cross somewhere atleast every mile if I wanted to look into the christian religion I think I could find my way to a church there's atleast half a million within 10 miles.

It's to the point to where it's forced on everyone, it's all you see.

I'm agnostic, I don't believe there has to be a "god" but at the same time I'm not saying there isn't, there could be 30 gods for all I know, and the point is I don't know so I don't really care, if I'm going to burn in hell for not basing the way I live on the writings in a book of a very young form of religion then albeit, I'm soemwhat ignorant but not that ignorant.

EDIT: Sorry I know I said "Christian" alot, but I pretty much dislike most religions equally.
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It has its interesting concepts and there is something to be learned from every religion, including those without "God".

Somewhere on the border of Pakistan and Afganistan there are men training. Some are training with the intent of dying as an objective within their mission. Inevitably some of these men are doing so because they believe that their God will enable them to go to a paradise and have sex with numerous virgins, I guess of which the God created just for this purpose which doesn't seem overly fair the flocks of virgins. However, over the water where their target remains is a people primarily made up of those who believe in what appears to boil down to be the same God as these mentioned enemies. Somebody or everybody is 100% full of shit, this is an absolute. However, both sides are more or less completely convinced they are right which is impossible.

Hard for me to logically come to a conclusion of a master 'entity' under these conditions no matter how hard I try. I've been to church 50-100 times and honestly 'tried', but I think it's impossible for an intelligent rational being to convince itself of something without what that person considers appropriate evidence.
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I'd like to note that there are benefits to the teachings of religion. In general the actual teachings, followed loosely and not manipulated for a specific cause, are terrific. Most charities are founded/backed by religious organizations and there thousands of people with the power of religion behind them that do fantastic things for humanity they may not do without the guidance of powerful teachings. Sadly it goes both ways.
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