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Old 06-18-2008, 09:52 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Report: Exams prove abuse, torture in Iraq, Gitmo - Yahoo! News

Report: Exams prove abuse, torture in Iraq, Gitmo

WASHINGTON - Medical examinations of former terrorism suspects held by the U.S. military at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq and Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, found evidence of torture and other abuse that resulted in serious injuries and mental disorders, according to a human rights group.

For the most extensive medical study of former U.S. detainees published so far, Physicians for Human Rights had doctors and mental health professionals examine 11 former prisoners. The group alleges finding evidence of U.S. torture and war crimes and accuses U.S. military health professionals of allowing the abuse of detainees, denying them medical care and providing confidential medical information to interrogators that they then exploited.
(Aint that grand, I bet our gop friends are rubbing their nipples in delight!)

"Some of these men really are, several years later, very severely scarred," said Barry Rosenfeld, a psychology professor at Fordham University who conducted psychological tests on six of the 11 detainees covered by the study. "It's a testimony to how bad those conditions were and how personal the abuse was."

One Iraqi prisoner, identified only as Yasser, reported being subjected to electric shocks three times and being sodomized with a stick (gopers turns on yet?). His thumbs bore round scars consistent with shocking, according to the report obtained by The Associated Press. He would not allow a full rectal exam.

Another Iraqi, identified only as Rahman, reported he was humiliated by being forced to wear women's underwear, stripped naked and paraded in front of female guards, and was shown pictures of other naked detainees. The psychological exam found that Rahman suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder and had sexual problems related to his humiliation, the report said.
(Now that's how you make more terrorists, gopers pleas pull up your pants you are freaking out the old ladies, i know this turns you on but pleas stop it!)

The report came as the Senate Armed Services Committee revealed documents showing military lawyers warned the Pentagon that methods it was using post-9/11 violated military, U.S. and international law. Those objections were overruled by the top Pentagon lawyer.

President Bush said in 2004, when the prison abuse was revealed, that it was the work of "a few American troops who dishonored our country and disregarded our values." Bush and other U.S. officials have consistently denied that the U.S. tortures its detainees.
(But I bet they love the pictures and videos.....oh like Kaligula and all his homoerotic parties!)

Physicians for Human Rights, an advocacy group based in Cambridge, Mass., that investigates abuse around the world and advocates for global health and human rights, did not identify the 11 former prisoners to protect their privacy. Seven were held in Abu Ghraib between late 2003 and summer of 2004, a period that coincides with the known abuse of prisoners at the hands of some of their American jailers. Four of the prisoners were held at Guantanamo beginning in 2002 for one to almost five years. All 11 were released without criminal charges.

Those examined alleged that they were tortured or abused, including sexually, and described being shocked with electrodes, beaten, shackled, stripped of their clothes, deprived of food and sleep, and spit and urinated on.
(gopers what did i say about the pants, yes I know scating and goldn showers turn you on as much as they turn on your boy king but this is not the place for getting turned on go take a cold shower or something!)

The abuse of some prisoners by their American captors is well documented by the government's own reports. Once-secret documents show that the Pentagon and Justice Department allowed, at least for a time, forced nakedness, isolation, sleep deprivation and humiliation at both Guantanamo Bay Naval Base and at Abu Ghraib.

Because the medical examiners did not have access to the 11 patients' medical histories prior to their imprisonment, it was not possible to know whether any of the prisoners' ailments, disabilities and scars pre-dated their confinement. The U.S. military says an al-Qaida training manual instructs members, if captured, to assert they were tortured during interrogation.

However, doctors and mental health professionals stated they could link the prisoners' claims of abuse while in U.S. detention to injuries documented by X-rays, medical exams and psychological tests.
(how dare those pinko commy terrorist loving fags bring facts into our boy kings sexual gay fest?)

"The level of the time, thoroughness and rigor of the exams left me personally without question about the credibility of the individuals," said Dr. Allen Keller, one of the doctors who conducted the exams, in an interview with the AP. "The findings on the physical and psychological exams were consistent with what they reported."

All 11 former detainees reported being subjected to:

_Stress positions, including being suspended for hours by the arms or tightly shackled for days.

_Prolonged isolation and hooding or blindfolding, a form of sensory deprivation.

_Extreme heat or cold. _Threats against themselves, their families or friends from interrogators or guards.

Ten said they were forced to be naked, some for days or weeks. Nine said they were subjected to prolonged sleep deprivation. At least six said they were threatened with military working dogs, often while naked. Four reported being sodomized, subjected to anal probing, or threatened with rape.
(Ah...gopers that's hands out of the pants!)

The patients underwent intensive, two-day long exams following standards and methods used worldwide to document torture.

"We found clear physical and psychological evidence of torture and abuse, often causing lasting suffering," he said.

Keller, who directs the Bellevue/New York University Program for Survivors of Torture, said the treatment the detainees reported were "eerily familiar" to stories from other torture survivors around the world. He said the sexual humiliation of the prisoners was often the most traumatic experience.

Most former detainees are out of reach of Western doctors because they are either in Iraq or have been returned to their home countries from Guantanamo.


All fun and games aside, are you happy that your nation did this?
I for one an very ashamed and very humiliated as to what has been done in our good name. Can we maybe subjigate our boy king and his familly to some of these practices? Hay if it's not tortue then we will be doing nothing wrong! And finally we may find out why we ran off into Iraq and why the price of gas is so freaking high!
So who is with me! I have a spare car battery! Who wants to sodamize?
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Since the study was conducted by a human rights group, I would think the outcome would be slightly swayed.

Torture has been going on for years in War. It doesn't make it right, but that means we haven't fallen.
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[quote=jiffy;3615689]Since the study was conducted by a human rights group, I would think the outcome would be slightly swayed.
Let me drink this bit of anti freeze to come to level with you.
Ok because the study was preformed by a human rights group who specialize in determining if an injury and or condition equate to a violation of human rights the study was slightly swayed?
Should we have sent Venerations in? Or maybe a few mechanics?

As for torture in war, because it's been going on and being done by others it makes it right for us to do it? So in effect we are no better than the nut jobs we oppose?

Ok...look it's early and we all say dumb shit in the mornings. Hell I proposed in the morning. So how about this, go get your second cup, think for a second and come back with a good response. Extra credit will be awarded if you can tell us why our boy king little baby jesus bush, aka Caligula shouldn't be brought up on human rights charges and maybe subjected to what he deems as not being torture.
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Since the study was conducted by a human rights group, I would think the outcome would be slightly swayed.

Torture has been going on for years in War. It doesn't make it right, but that means we haven't fallen.
The gitmo instillation is thousands of miles from he 'front'. I don't think we can ascribe torture there to the heat of battle.

It's American policy and is legally a crime.

It is not defensible or excusable.

It's morally, legally and, in all ways, wrong, and we (Americans) should not allow it.

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It has been done, by us the U.S. for a long time. I never said it was right, but it means we haven't fallen, since it is nothing new. Just clarifying here.
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No it has not. It has been expressly forbidden by US policy, starting with George freaking Washington, for Christ's sake.
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No it has not. It has been expressly forbidden by US policy, starting with George freaking Washington, for Christ's sake.
Do you drink Evian? Sorry spell that water backwards.
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So it has happened in the past.

It was not POLICY.

Can you see a tiny difference?

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The Iraqis have done far worse to captured American soldiers, American contractors, American civilians, along with mass genocide of Iranian citizens, and religious groups in their own country. The only reason this crap comes to light is because the USA "allows" stupid groups to go into their closet and pull out skeletons. We are the only country in the world who allows world opinion and media spin to affect our political path. Had this kinda human rights research crap been happening in WW2 the atrocities the Germans committed still wouldn't have been forgiven. Lets not even toss in Bosnia, the Congo or any other war torn part of the world.

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Are you ignorant? That's a rhetorical question.

George Washington himself expressly forbade the mistreatment of captured British soldiers during the Revolution, even though they were happily executing and torturing Revolutionary soldiers.

That is an undisputed fact.

Want to know why the School of the America's was so controversial?

I'll let you look that one up.
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So it has happened in the past.

It was not POLICY.

Can you see a tiny difference?

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I did not read anywhere that it was policy, did you? I may have missed that. That was not what was in question above.

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Are you ignorant? That's a rhetorical question.

George Washington himself expressly forbade the mistreatment of captured British soldiers during the Revolution, even though they were happily executing and torturing Revolutionary soldiers.

That is an undisputed fact.

Want to know why the School of the America's was so controversial?

I'll let you look that one up.
I never disputed the fact that Washington forbade torture. What's your point.
The above has nothing to do with what I said.

I said we do and have tortured, simple.

If you think we haven't tortured in the past 200 or so years you are crazy.
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Give us some examples. I know that some of our troops were water boarding captured viet cong in "the field", but they were breaking the rules and it certainly wasn't authorized by LBJ or Nixon.
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I did not read anywhere that it was policy, did you? I may have missed that. That was not what was in question above.
That is precisely what is in question above.

If it was done in the past, it was done in violation of the law. Now they have Whitehouse planning sessions to work out the details.
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