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Politics & ReligionWell Since every damn forum has one. Might as well leave it out there. This place is loosely moderated and should not be entered if you're weak of heart.
I will read it. Case in point: Osama Bin Laden, comes from a very, very wealthy Saudi family.
Osama would be one of those folks capitalizing on the poverty and oppression of the Palestinian people in order to gain power from that mix.
Suicide bombers, gunmen, etc (the people actually inflicting the terror, rather than just instigating and enabling it) are pretty much all from poor or middle class families.
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The most dangerous thing about 600s is the most dangerous thing about any bike -- confidence often precedes ability. It takes about ten times longer to be a good rider than it takes to feel like one.
You are profiling using race and religion as the main determinants in whether or not someone is more likely to be a terrorist or not. And that is wrong. There is no fact in saying they look like the Iranian president.
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The most dangerous thing about 600s is the most dangerous thing about any bike -- confidence often precedes ability. It takes about ten times longer to be a good rider than it takes to feel like one.
You are profiling using race and religion as the main determinants in whether or not someone is more likely to be a terrorist or not. And that is wrong. There is no fact in saying they look like the Iranian president.
Lets take a look at the wanted terrorists in the world, and see if we can't come up with a non-discriminatory way of helping narrow down the search for potential future terrorists. Fair?
You go first. Go ahead and do some analysis on all those guys and see if you can come up with some useful information that might help police, firefighters, and other first responders and front line types identify potential terrorists.
Lets take a look at the wanted terrorists in the world, and see if we can't come up with a non-discriminatory way of helping narrow down the search for potential future terrorists. Fair?
You go first. Go ahead and do some analysis on all those guys and see if you can come up with some useful information that might help police, firefighters, and other first responders and front line types identify potential terrorists.
Then I'll take a shot at it.
You can not profile soley based on religion and ethnicity, it has been proven via racial profiling within this country.
Who are you more afraid of....
A Caucasian Muslim or a middle eastern Muslim or a Muslim of African decent?
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The most dangerous thing about 600s is the most dangerous thing about any bike -- confidence often precedes ability. It takes about ten times longer to be a good rider than it takes to feel like one.
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What common factors do you think we're going to find with all these dudes?
Here's one. None of them are Iraqi. Now it's your turn.
I don't know. I'm going to be more afraid of someone that is most like the amalgamated characteristics of the people on that list.
So lets get started, OK?
Now see thats cool. You understand the point I am making. Once you begin to look for specifics you make your self susceptible to other things that you will over look.
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The most dangerous thing about 600s is the most dangerous thing about any bike -- confidence often precedes ability. It takes about ten times longer to be a good rider than it takes to feel like one.
Now see thats cool. You understand the point I am making. Once you begin to look for specifics you make your self susceptible to other things that you will over look.
No. You're missing the point I'm making.
None of those people are Swedish, either. And none of them are women.
So lets start a list of what those people *are* rather than what they aren't. We can do that by whittling down what they aren't and looking at what's left, but that is highly inefficient and non-determinative. It is more efficient, and accurate to make observations about what we can categorically state, and then base our assumptions on that.
So go ahead. After examining that list, what can you categorically state about all of those people?
I'll start this one, too.
Here is the beginning of our terrorist profile, based on known factors of the majority of the most wanted terrorists in the country.
One of the differences between a freedom fighter and a terrorist is choice of targets. It is a messy distinction, because you could consider the allies firebombing in Dresden in WWII a terrorist act under some definitions.
But, here goes anyway. A terrorist chooses soft targets. The whole intent is to spread mayhem and fear. The IRA bombed Harrod's department store in London. They were not likely to kill anybody in the military, just women shopping and their children. The PLO attacked cruise ships, as another example. The target wasn't military, it was relatively defenseless people.
The more defenseless the target, the more terrorist the act. Attacking a military installation falls more on the freedom fighter side of the ledger although in peacetime it is either to start a war or an act of terrorism, while attacking an office building in peacetime falls squarely on the terrorist side.
And I agree with that, I would like to add that military targets would be communications, but people forget those communication targets are TV and of Course Radio.
Financial targets, so one could argue the twin towers would have been a viable military target. Ya I realize thats gonna get me flamed, but shutting down the economy of an enemy is a big part of winning. And that was part of there objective.
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Have you ever experienced a governmental department that did things in a common sense manner? If you have, that puts you "one up" on the overwhelming majority of the people on this planet
None of those people are Swedish, either. And none of them are women.
So lets start a list of what those people *are* rather than what they aren't. We can do that by whittling down what they aren't and looking at what's left, but that is highly inefficient and non-determinative. It is more efficient, and accurate to make observations about what we can categorically state, and then base our assumptions on that.
So go ahead. After examining that list, what can you categorically state about all of those people?
