Conservatives....what are they good for?

[shah269]

So last night was guys night and me and a few co workers were out enjoying some adult beverages and discussing life, love and work.
Well it's that time of the year so the discussion turned to politics.
And well believe it or not, my friends are very diverse. Some are very liberal and others are very conservative. So we discussed the current situation with regards to the economy and Iraq and civil liberties....and i brought up an interesting thought.
Looking back on history all of the dictators in modern history have been conservative. Hitler wanted to restore purity to the German people via expelling all those that didn't confirm (Jews, gays ect....), Stalin...well he just hated every thing that wasn't him and so on and so forth.
But honestly as much as we thought and debated and laughed we couldn't come up with a single real positive thing ever produced by the conservative mind.
Yes sure you can state conservatism upholds honored time tested values, but you can also say that conservatism upholds bigoted time tested values.
We just couldn't put our finger on a single positive idea, concept or government that has come to existence thanks to conservative thought.
Which really made my conservative friend upset because he really thought that there should be one thing! But even he was running out of ideas.
So.......let's ask the difficult question. What positive idea, concept or action can we thank conservatism for?

[jiffy]

Your definition of Conservative is skewed. What is a liberal? Democrats are not liberals.
Republicans aren't all conservative.

Democrats and Republicans are neither.

Why do you try to pigeon hole partisans?

Everything is not black and white.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally Posted by jiffy

Your definition of Conservative is skewed. What is a liberal? Democrats are not liberals.
Republicans aren't all conservative.

Democrats and Republicans are neither.

Why do you try to pigeon hole partisans?

Everything is not black and white.

Just answer the question.

Honestly, I'm trying... nothing comes to me right off though.

Anybody?

[Oceans05]

I hate politics other than knowing that I am extremely extremely far left, with a few considerations, of course, to the right

[TailHook]

If you spent less time drinking and more time reading you would know Hitler was not a Conservative, he was a National Socialist.

[ZQ8Dude]

Originally Posted by shah269

So last night was guys night and me and a few co workers were out enjoying some adult beverages and discussing life, love and work.
Well it's that time of the year so the discussion turned to politics.
And well believe it or not, my friends are very diverse. Some are very liberal and others are very conservative. So we discussed the current situation with regards to the economy and Iraq and civil liberties....and i brought up an interesting thought.
Looking back on history all of the dictators in modern history have been conservative. Hitler wanted to restore purity to the German people via expelling all those that didn't confirm (Jews, gays ect....), Stalin...well he just hated every thing that wasn't him and so on and so forth.
But honestly as much as we thought and debated and laughed we couldn't come up with a single real positive thing ever produced by the conservative mind.
Yes sure you can state conservatism upholds honored time tested values, but you can also say that conservatism upholds bigoted time tested values.
We just couldn't put our finger on a single positive idea, concept or government that has come to existence thanks to conservative thought.
Which really made my conservative friend upset because he really thought that there should be one thing! But even he was running out of ideas.
So.......let's ask the difficult question. What positive idea, concept or action can we thank conservatism for?

and name something positive made by liberals?? global warming scams? aid programs so that my tax money funds druggies? anti-gun laws so criminals have no opposition when they decide to shoot up a public place? "Gun free" zones that put bulls eye's on public places for nut jobs with guns?

As far as hitler expelling those who don't conform...would be fair to say that the left attempts this with emissions laws in Ca?? Many people who are car nuts are unable to enjoy something they love because lefties like yourself seem to think you know better. To the point where i'm even considering leaving this state so i can enjoy the vehicles I worked for.

I've said it before, can you be so stupid that you cant see that both parties have huge flaws?

[jiffy]

Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer

Just answer the question.

Honestly, I'm trying... nothing comes to me right off though.

Anybody?

Answer the question lol.

Answer the opposite question.

Liberals what are they good for?

Both questions come back empty.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally Posted by jiffy

Answer the question lol.

Answer the opposite question.

Liberals what are they good for?

Both questions come back empty.

The question of this thread is "Conservatives... what are they good for?"

Can't answer it, huh?

Start a new thread titled "Liberals... what are they good for?" and I'll answer it. Otherwise... ANSWER THE QUESTION.

[jerome_oneil]

Conservatives are good for ensuring that those things of quality about our society are preserved. Liberals are good for ensuring that the status quo is challenged, and that change happens when and where appropriate, and that the status quo does not become stagnation.

That the Democratic party is now both the liberal *and* conservative party is telling.

The real question is "Why are there no real conservatives in the GOP, and what the hell are they good for?"

[SlowGoose]

Originally Posted by TailHook

If you spent less time drinking and more time reading you would know Hitler was not a Conservative, he was a National Socialist.

I thought was the party name when he was, in fact, a straight up fascist authoritarian. *shrug*

[Little Johnson]

Originally Posted by SlowGoose

I thought was the party name when he was, in fact, a straight up fascist authoritarian. *shrug*

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[shah269]

Originally Posted by jerome_oneil

Conservatives are good for ensuring that those things of quality about our society are preserved. Liberals are good for ensuring that the status quo is challenged, and that change happens when and where appropriate, and that the status quo does not become stagnation.

That the Democratic party is now both the liberal *and* conservative party is telling.

The real question is "Why are there no real conservatives in the GOP, and what the hell are they good for?"

Yeah that's how I see it too. If the world were run by liberal progressive ideals change would occure too quickly and not all change is good.
But if the world were run by conservatives and conservative ideals than nothing would ever change.

But as for conservative countries....say the fromer Soviet Union nothing good came of it. It was a true conservative nation. No change.
So back on topic yes we need both in our lives but conservative presidents and world leaders really haven't given us much have they?

[jiffy]

What is the last major change a liberal has made?

Major here, not a new policy that does nothing, a "Major" change.

No changes ever really happen in our government. Blame the Democrats...no no blame the Republicans.

Ford VS Chevy is all you have to argue over.

[shah269]

Ever been to a community collage? Well liberal idea. Fiancial aid to attend higher education.
Then there is that pesky medicare medicaid and social security.
Remember conservatives/republicans feel that the "system" will take care of all the loose ends.

[kirkeb]

Stalin a conservative> Communism is the ultimate expression of liberalism. Everyone thinks fascism is right wing but go back and read some of the early doctrines of fascism in Italy and National Socialism in Germany. Thet both espose more liberal ideals than conservative. Hitler and Stalin both mixed a healthy dose of Nationalism in.