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NEW YORK--"Why are we talking about this in the White House?" John Ashcroft nervously asked his fellow members of the National Security Council's Principals Committee. (The Principals were Vice President Dick Cheney, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Secretary of State Colin Powell, CIA Director George Tenet and Attorney General Ashcroft.)

"History will not judge this kindly," Ashcroft predicted.

"This" is torture. Against innocent people. Conducted by CIA agents and American soldiers and marines. Sanctioned by legal opinions issued by Ashcroft's Justice Department. Directly ordered by George W. Bush.

An April 11th report by ABC News describes how CIA agents, asked by previous presidents to carry out illegal "black ops" actions (torture and killings), had become tired of getting hung out to dry whenever their dirty deeds were revealed by the press. When the Bush Administration asked the CIA to work over prisoners captured in Afghanistan, Pakistan and elsewhere, Director George Tenet demanded legal cover. The Justice Department complied by issuing a classified 2002 memo, the so-called "Golden Shield," authored by Office of Legal Counsel Jay Bybee. "Enhanced interrogation techniques"--i.e., torture--were legal, Bybee assured the CIA.

Tenet was a good boss, a CYA type. He wanted to protect his agents. So he got the Principals to personally sign off on each act of torture.

"According to a former CIA official involved in the process," ABC reported, "CIA headquarters would receive cables from operatives in the field asking for authorization for specific techniques." Can we beat up this guy? Can we waterboard him?

The Bushies weren't otherwise known for dwelling on details. Osama was in Pakistan; they invaded Afghanistan instead. Two years later, he was still in Pakistan. They invaded Iraq. Bush and his top officials still found time to walk through every step of torment a detainee would suffer in some CIA dungeon halfway around the world.

"The high-level discussions about these 'enhanced interrogation techniques' were so detailed, [Bush Administration] sources said, some of the interrogation sessions were almost choreographed--down to the number of times CIA agents could use a specific tactic. These top advisers signed off on how the CIA would interrogate top Al Qaeda suspects--whether they would be slapped, pushed, deprived of sleep or subjected to simulated drowning, called waterboarding, sources told ABC news."

Bush knew.

Not only did he know, he personally approved it. He likes torture.

"Yes, I'm aware our national security team met on this issue," he confirmed. "And I approved."

When the U.S. signs a treaty, its provisions carry the full force of U.S. law. One such treaty is the U.N. Convention Against Torture, of which the U.S. is a core signatory. As Philippe Sands writes in his new book "Torture Team:" Parties to the... Convention are required to investigate any person who is alleged to have committed torture. If appropriate, they must then prosecute--or extradite the person to a place where he will be prosecuted. The Torture Convention... criminalizes any act that constitutes complicity or participation in torture. Complicity or participation could certainly be extended not only to the politicians and but also the lawyers involved..."

George W. Bush has publicly confessed that he ordered torture, thus violating the Convention Against Torture. He, Cheney, Rumseld, Rice and the other Principals must therefore be arrested and, unlike the thousands of detainees kidnapped by the U.S. since 9/11, arraigned and placed on trial.

Because the torture ordered by Bush and his cabinet directly resulted in death, they must additionally be charged with several counts of murder. Fifteen U.S. soldiers have been charged with the murders of two detainees at the U.S. airbase at Bagram, Afghanistan in 2002. They were following orders issued by their Commander-in-Chief and his Principals.

One of the Bagram victims was Dilawar, a 22-year-old Afghan taxi driver. "On the day of his death," reported The New York Times on May 22, 2005, "Dilawar had been chained by the wrists to the top of his cell for much of the previous four days. A guard tried to force the young man to his knees. But his legs, which had been pummeled by guards for several days, could no longer bend... Several hours passed before an emergency room doctor finally saw Mr. Dilawar. By then he was dead, his body beginning to stiffen. It would be many months before Army investigators learned a final horrific detail: Most of the interrogators had believed Mr. Dilawar was an innocent man who simply drove his taxi past the American base at the wrong time."

At least four detainees have committed suicide at the torture camp created by George W. Bush after 9/11 at Guantánamo Bay. Twenty-five more made 41 unsuccessful attempts to kill themselves. The conditions of their confinement--ordered by Bush and his Principals--constitutes torture. It no doubt prompted their deaths.

If George W. Bush were an ordinary citizen, there can be little doubt that he would face a long prison sentence for the scores of acts of torture he authorized both specifically and generally. Four of the seven white hillbillies charged with the kidnap-torture of a black woman in Logan County, West Virginia are now in jail for at least the next ten years.

If Bush weren't president, he would face murder charges. The maximum sentence in a federal murder case is death.

If Bush and his co-conspirators are not above the law, if the United States remains a nation where all citizens are equal, they must be arrested and indicted. But by whom?

The Supreme Court has never resolved the question of whether a sitting president can be arrested by civilian authorities. Even if he were charged and convicted, many legal experts say he could issue himself a pardon.

However, leaving the presidency in the hands of an self-admitted torture killer is unacceptable. Congress could ask a U.S. Marshal to arrest Bush as part of impeachment charges. But the ultimate outcome--removing him from office a few months before the end of his term--seems woefully inadequate given the nature of the charges. In any case, Democrats have already said that impeachment is "off the table."

Bush could be extradited to one of the countries where the torture and murders were committed--such as Afghanistan or Cuba. But he could claim immunity as a head of state.

There is, however, a person who could begin holding Bush and the others accountable for their crimes.

She is Cathy L. Lanier, the 39-year-old chief of D.C.'s Metropolitan Police Department. Chief Lanier, take note: you have probable cause to arrest a self-confessed serial torturer and mass murderer within the borders of the District of Columbia. He resides at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Go get him.

History is calling, Chief Lanier. Your city, and your country, needs you.



Remember that part about accountability?
Now I know some really do believe that jesus h bush is gods other kid and thus above the law. But if a BJ from a fat chick can get you impeached then well....maybe this should be a capital crime?
But then again, he's jesus h bush, gods other kid of virgine birth immune to the laws of man?
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Ok....so he can walk up to your mother take a loaded gun place the barrel of said gun to the temple of your beloved mother and pull the trigger and he's ok?

I'm sorry but I thought we had elected a president not a dictator

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No he can't.

Go arrest him Shah.
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Your an idiot shah. Why do you think that exposing the immeasurable depths of your ignorance is spin? You having no idea what you are talking about is not support for any argument other than my observation of the fact that you would lose a battle of wits with a sack of potato chips and walk away really happy with yourself for showing it who is the boss.
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See that's the problem with you jesus h bush lovers.
1) You really do think he is gods other kid and thus above the law
2) You never ask your self "Would this be ok if it happened to my mother, father, brother or sister"

So back on planet earth and in this great nation of ours where rules and laws rule supreme over ones self importance.
Let's ask our selves an honest question. Should there be accountability for the rules which were broken by your boy jesus h buh and his Huka clan?
If not then why? And if so is it just?
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Pointing out that you are wrong is not the same thing as saying that Bush is right. If that were the case then Bush would have been the best president in history. Please refference my previous post for a further explanation of why you are too much of a fool to grasp this.
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First off, It's not Jesus H Bush. It's Dubya.

Second. Now put this in perspective before you flame me: If I had the ability to stop a major terrorist bombing and I knew that the only way to get the details of the attack was to "torture" someone. I would do it. I would not like to do it, but just the same I would.

If it meant that my wife and family were safe from attack, because I could act to stop the threat, sorry, but there's gonna be one hurtin' terrorist.

The "torture" that was being done at Abu Ghraib prison was "mind fuck" type of torture. They were not doing stuff to them that would leave marks or scars. Mind you, I did get training on this and how to defend against it if taken a prisoner by the enemy. The stuff that we were taught is being used every day somewhere in the world. If you don't think so, then you are far dumber than your comments appear. We in this country look back on our cushy jobs and Big Mac's and think that the whole world is just like here. Wrong. In that part of the world, people are trained from birth to be martyrs for their religion. The more innocents they take out, the bigger the booby prize at the end. Think I'm kidding and you are just fooling yourself.

George W. Bush did not get to become the President that he wanted to be. He's been slammed in every liberal ran media format that can be done. He "can't" make a good decision in their eyes. Everything that goes wrong with this country is his fault. People wake the fuk up. The problems that are happening in this country are YOUR fault and MY fault for not standing up and taking action when it started to go wrong.

Bush was thrust into a situation that he had no control over. You are pissing away the memory of those who died in the Twin Towers. People we were attacked on this sovereign nations soil. We had to respond or risk further attacks. Have we been bombed since then? Nope. Have we caught real confirmed terrorists? Yep. We're just waiting for another attack and people like the whiners on here are just feeding the fuel. Go ahead. Think that you aren't helping them by running your little hate campaigns in cyberspace. Think that by giving the Conservatives a bad name that your aren't making our lives that much more in jeopardy. See what the results will be.

George W. Bush earned my respect when he didn't sit down and take an attack on this nation as something to disregard. He acted where Algore would have whimpered and cowered in his little round office.

Whether you think we should be there or not, we are there. We cannot pull out. To do so would show the terrorists that they can win. Do you want another attack on this soil? Do you want to lose someone that you know, or even a family member if it happens?

I'm not saying that you have to love the Conservatives, hell some of the stuff they do pisses me off too. But we need to show a solid front to the enemy. To do anything else does nothing but undermine the freedoms that our soldiers have died for throughout the many wars that we've been involved in. To listen to the crap that is being spewed by the media shows your lack of mental ability or just a simple pack herd mentality...you pick.

And it wasn't the Conservatives who gave Bush Godlike powers. It was the Liberals who blamed him for the hurricane that destroyed New Orleans. I'm mean after all, if he can control the weather, then he must have some kind of power.....right?

No, it's a blame game. He just happens to be the President in office right now. So he gets the blame.

Let's call Hillary at 3:00 AM and see how she'd handle it.
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And it wasn't the Conservatives who gave Bush Godlike powers. It was the Liberals who blamed him for the hurricane that destroyed New Orleans. I'm mean after all, if he can control the weather, then he must have some kind of power.....right?
Nonsense! Nobody blames him for the hurricane, but many are unhappy with the response from FEMA.
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Someone let their "special" child write daddy's news article again.
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Nonsense! Nobody blames him for the hurricane, but many are unhappy with the response from FEMA.
Take some training before you speak.

FEMA supplies and personnel were dispatched to the area. According to Federal Law....called the Stafford Act, FEMA CANNOT Act until the Governor of the State requests Federal assistance. Bush had the tools in place waiting for that request. It didn't come until people started to die. Both the Governor of Louisiana and the Mayor of New Orleans failed to make that request. Both Democrats. OF COURSE the media can't blame them for not doing their jobs when the people needed it. Lets just BLAME Bush. Again, liberal spin machine at work. Once the request came, it moved like a machine. People were shipped all over the country, food was available and help was there.

It wouldn't even have occurred if the Democrat Governor and the Democrat Mayor had actually listened to the Army Corps of Engineers and fixed the levies when they needed it. No, let's spend the money on something else. 10 years they got lucky. Then they weren't so lucky.

Where's the media print on that? Why is it always the Republicans who are the evil and the Democrats that are the saviors of the world? Guess what. Both the House and Senate are controlled by the Democrats right now. See any difference? No? Because there isn't any difference. They all want your vote. They all want your money. And they all LIE to get it.

Go to the library. Read Books....not just magazines and newspapers. The TV news is more screwed up than the print media.....When was the last time "Breaking News" was positive? Good things happen every day.....where's the copy on that? Wake up and realize that both sides lay awake at night thinking of new ways to screw you over. Just depends on how many freedoms you want to give up which side you're on.
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Take some training before you speak.

FEMA supplies and personnel were dispatched to the area. According to Federal Law....called the Stafford Act, FEMA CANNOT Act until the Governor of the State requests Federal assistance. Bush had the tools in place waiting for that request. It didn't come until people started to die. Both the Governor of Louisiana and the Mayor of New Orleans failed to make that request. Both Democrats. OF COURSE the media can't blame them for not doing their jobs when the people needed it. Lets just BLAME Bush. Again, liberal spin machine at work. Once the request came, it moved like a machine. People were shipped all over the country, food was available and help was there.

It wouldn't even have occurred if the Democrat Governor and the Democrat Mayor had actually listened to the Army Corps of Engineers and fixed the levies when they needed it. No, let's spend the money on something else. 10 years they got lucky. Then they weren't so lucky.

Where's the media print on that? Why is it always the Republicans who are the evil and the Democrats that are the saviors of the world? Guess what. Both the House and Senate are controlled by the Democrats right now. See any difference? No? Because there isn't any difference. They all want your vote. They all want your money. And they all LIE to get it.

Go to the library. Read Books....not just magazines and newspapers. The TV news is more screwed up than the print media.....When was the last time "Breaking News" was positive? Good things happen every day.....where's the copy on that? Wake up and realize that both sides lay awake at night thinking of new ways to screw you over. Just depends on how many freedoms you want to give up which side you're on.
Wow! So you got all that from a single sentence?

Little wonder conversations go to hell around here.

Aren't you the one that claims Bush is "blamed for the hurricane"? I'll get my educational advice elsewhere thank you.
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gopers, ask your selves.

Does this pass the "If OK to water board your my mother test"?
Further more what rights are you willing read and able to give up with the hopes of gaining an ounce of security.
Next, accountability, if your boy jesus h bush did brake the laws of the land than should he be held accountable?
I'm asking simple questions that have to be answered in the near future. Once your boy king is out of office.....he's open for prosecution under the law.
Now you can answer these questions or.....spin like your life depends on it.
Odds are you gopers will spin.
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Where are you sitting while you're writing this? Comfy chair somewhere? Too afraid to consider inconveniencing your life to do anything but complain loudly? Complain loud enough and someone else will take up your cause and actually do all your work for you?
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spin that's all you got! Really! You can't answer difficult questions so you spin?
Sweet jesus h bush! Just answer, how much of your rights are you willing to give up for safety and security? Are you willing to turn the office of the president into one of dictatorship so as to gain an once of security?
Further more if you mother was was water boarded would you be OK with it? Note the article about the poor cab driver and his death.
so....more spin? I know you gopers aren't too adapted to dealing wit those that actually stand their ground but...an answer would be very nice.
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