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Old 05-03-2008, 06:37 PM   #31 (permalink)
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This was no suicide IMO, she was on the record saying she would never commit suicide. People at risk of being exposed high up in our government could not take a chance.
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She's on record saying the exact opposite.
People who routinely comment on the subject of suicide in contradictory ways are CLEARLY unlikely to be at risk for suicide.
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People who routinely comment on the subject of suicide in contradictory ways are CLEARLY unlikely to be at risk for suicide.
If she were a GOP stooge and railing against the evils of teh geyh, I might agree with you.
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Actually I was referring to the weirdo dealsgapdragon. But it goes for anyone who believes she was murdered or their is a cover up.
Weirdo Fox News TV - Weirdos Jewraldo Rivera, Judge Jeanine Pirro, and Prosecutor Kimberly Guilfoyle agree with Alex Jones that she was murdered.

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"When I talked to her, she was not suicidal. Why is the Justice Dept sealing the names of the johns when they could just as easily be indicting them?"
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Professor Brandy Britton PhD allegedly hanged herself, WITHOUT conviction, and even if she'd been convicted she was NOT facing jail. Why would the DC Madam hang herself and force her 76-year-old mother to find the body? She went out shooping, got kidnapped, probably injected or gassed, then brought home and hung. "Suicide" notes can be easily forged. Heraldo agreed she went to prison before, so it was no big deal, and she was only facing a couple years in prison.

She was promising to name names if sent to prison. Her fatal mistake was waiting too long, and not posting the phone records for free on the internet.

NSA spook Wayne Madsen reported that the DC Madam's "public defender" is in a CIA law firm, so her lawyer probably took a dive, which is what PDs do for 99% of their suckers, er, clients. Why didn't he file an interlocutory appeal to force the judge to issue subpoenas for the names on her phone records, in order subpoena witnesses for her defense? Would Dick Cheney testify, "I didn't have sex with that woman?"

Other "official suicides" include 36 stabs, 2 bullets to the head, genitalia chopped off, arms and legs chopped off:

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At the time of his “suicide,” Luna was working under fired US attorney Thomas M. DiBiagio, who was investigating corruption charges against then-Republican Maryland Governor Bob Ehrlich and his staff, the lot accused of engaging the services of Palfrey’s escorts.

Luna stabbed himself 36 times with a penknife and subsequently drowned himself in a creek in Denver, Pennsylvania. Luna’s purported “suicide” is as “stinky” as the “suicide” of prize-winning investigative journalist Gary Webb, who made public details of the CIA’s cocaine smuggling operation. Webb, we are expected to believe, shot himself twice in the head. “Credible sources who were close to Gary Webb have stated that he was receiving death threats, being regularly followed, and that he was concerned about strange individuals who were seen on multiple occasions breaking into and leaving his house before his apparent ’suicide,’”

“Palfrey’s building manager said she often told him she believed she was being followed and he thinks there may have been some former clients of her escort service who wanted her dead,” WESH 2 in Orlando reported last week. “She insinuated that there is a contract out for her and I fully believe they succeeded,” said the building manager.

It is now up to Florida governor Charlie Crist to investigate this highly suspect case. However, as Mr. Crist more than likely does not wish to suffer the same fate as New York state governor, Eliot Spitzer, it remains to be seen if he will indeed pick up the ball and run with it. Spitzer’s case sends a strong message – if you value your job, indeed your life, you will not mess with the Mafia.

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Walt Disney (ABC "News") and Mickey Mouse (Made in Commie China) held a monopoly on this case, when ABC paid for the DC Madam's phone records. A judge stopped ABC from getting all records, then ABC quit the story entirely, and censored all phone records, which destroyed her leverage in court. No other "news" corporation will trace the phone records.

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A lawyer for alleged Washington madam Deborah Jeane Palfrey wants ABC News to disclose the identity of a federal prosecutor identified in a recent news report as a client of Palfrey’s escort service. In a letter to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, Palfrey’s civil lawyer, Montgomery Blair Sibley, contends that the Justice Department should compel ABC to disclose the prosecutor’s identity and whether he had any role in the Palfrey investigation. . .
So it appears the prosecutor in her case was one of her clients.

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Interesting notion, this idea of using Fox News to prove you're not a whack job. Something tells me that isn't gonna sway many people.

That said, having a suspicion that she was murdered seems perfectly plausible to me. Stating it as a fact kind of puts you in the same ethical category as Fox News, however.
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Why would the DC Madam hang herself and force her 76-year-old mother to find the body?
While not at all a proof she was or not murdered, I hope you're not expecting a rational answer to that question?
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She had not been sentenced yet (possibly only 7 months), and the appeal was filed, which could have reversed the conviction. She previously spent a year in prison, so she knows how to survive. If she really suicided, why not take pills? One oxycontin is all it takes to OD, and it would've been far "better" for her mom to find her.

Suicide notes can be forged, or extorted under duress by death threats to family. In fed court my wife's employer entered a forged "contract" as an exhibit, even though it wasn't a contract (just a list of printed names with her alleged signature), even though the alleged employee never existed, as confessed by corporate human relations dept in court testimony. The judge was an ex fed prosecutor with the corporate defense lawyers, so they conspired to subvert a jury trial, and the corporation paid a $30,000 cash bribe to the private judge on the first day of the private arbitration "trial". We won on appeal and settled for $250,000 before jury trial, despite the forgery by this giant multinational corporation. The entire US govt is based on forged or coerced signatures on contracts, like driver license contracts (100-million/year), vehicle registration contracts (100-million/year), traffic ticket contracts (100-million/year), IRS 1040 contracts (50-million/year). If you don't file a signed 1040 contract, IRS automatically forges your signature on that bogus contract. Duress voids all contracts, including "suicide" notes.

Note that half of the so-called "suicide hijackers" on 9/11 are still alive, and giving interviews to BBC News, contrary to the pathological lies by Bill Clinton and the media mafia, and contrary to alleged "suicide notes".

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Former NSA analyst and Navy intelligence officer Wayne Madsen tells the The Alex Jones Show that one of the key motives behind the DC Madam’s murder may have been the information her call girls picked up from Washington’s top brass concerning foreknowledge and government complicity in the 9/11 attacks.

Madsen also connected another suspicious death - that of former CIA agent Roland Carnaby who was gunned down by Houston police last week - to another individual who was involved in both the 9/11 cover-up and the D.C. Madam scandal, disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

Noting that Palfrey and her defense team had tried to invoke the Classified Information Procedures Act in the U.S. District Court in Washington, which is only used when classified information or the names of people who are intelligence officers needs to be discussed, Madsen said Palfrey, "Had information which could have a bearing on the 9/11 attacks that some of her employees may have picked up information beforehand that would have been very useful to the 9/11 investigation."

Madsen added that most of Palfrey’s call girls had been active around the area of McLean Virginia, which is where the CIA and other intelligence agencies are based and where Dick Cheney lived at the time.

Host Alex Jones recalled that during interviews Palfrey had told him that her escort service was in fact being used as an intelligence operation to gather intelligence on individuals who used the escort service, particularly those connected to the military.

Madsen, who spoke personally to Palfrey on numerous occasions, recalls one conversation where Palfrey told him, ‘I have information that would have been of great interest to the 9/11 Commission - there’s information that they have (her call girls) that would have been very important for the 9/11 Commission to know having to do with intelligence they picked up about 9/11 before it happened’.

The former NSA official noted that some of Palfrey’s call girls were being chauffeured by Sherlington Limousines to poker parties attended by former CIA director and co-chair of the Joint 9/11 Intelligence Inquiry Porter Goss. One of the reasons cited for Goss’ abrupt resignation in May 2006 was his alleged involvement in a prostitution scandal where lobbyists were holding parties for GOP lawmakers that featured hookers and gambling at the Watergate Hotel in D.C.

On the morning of 9/11, Goss was having breakfast with the head of Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) General Mahmoud Ahmad, the man who ordered a wire transfer of $100,000 to alleged lead hijacker Mohammed Atta.

In addition, Madsen pointed out that convicted Israeli spy Jack Abramoff, who was also connected to the DC Madam scandal, allowed at least two of the 9/11 hijackers to use one of his casino boats in the days before 9/11, and this is what Palfrey was probably referring to when she spoke about her call girls picking up information about 9/11 before it happened.

"There’s the link, when you’ve got Abramoff and you had two of those hijackers on his casino boat a few days before 9/11 - I just wonder if that’s what Jeane was talking about," said Madsen, "Because now I’m looking at this crazy incident in Houston with Roland Carnaby, a retired CIA guy who was still contracted to the CIA, being gunned down in broad daylight by the Houston police department - now I’ve been told by Agency sources in Houston that one of the people he was looking at was Abramhoff and the casino boats - so here you’ve got two people in the same week, looks like they were both assassinated in broad daylight," he concluded.
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'D.C. Madam' apologized to mom, sister in suicide notes
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TAMPA, Fla. (AP) — The woman known as the "D.C. Madam" apologized to her mother and sister in suicide notes, saying she couldn't bear going to prison and saw killing herself as the only "exit strategy."

Deborah Jeane Palfrey, convicted last month of running an elite Washington prostitution ring, wrote to her mother that she could not "live the next 6-8 years behind bars for what you and I have come to regard as this 'modern day lynching,' only to come out of prison in my late '50s a broken, penniless and very much alone woman."

The notes were released by police Monday.

Palfrey, 52, hanged herself with a nylon rope Thursday in a shed outside her mother's mobile home in the Florida Gulf Coast community of Tarpon Springs, northwest of Tampa. Her mother, 76-year-old Blanche Palfrey, discovered the body.

Deborah Palfrey was convicted of running a prostitution service that catered to members of Washington's political elite, including Sen. David Vitter, a Louisiana Republican. She denied her escort service engaged in prostitution, saying that if any of the women engaged in sex acts for money, they did so without her knowledge.

She was free while she awaited sentencing on July 24 and had been staying with her mother.

Her suicide appeared to have been planned for days. The note to her mother was dated April 25, nearly a week before she killed herself. Police said the notes were found on a night stand in the bedroom where she'd been staying. One of the notes said, "Do not revive. Do not feed under any circumstances."

In the note to her younger sister, Bobbie, Palfrey expressed her love and told her to "be strong for mom."

"Also, you must comprehend that there was no other way out, i.e., 'exit strategy,' other than the one I have chosen here," she wrote. "Know I am at peace, with complete certainty, I believe Dad is standing watch — prepared to guide me into the light."

Also Monday, police announced that the medical examiner's office officially ruled Palfrey's death a suicide by hanging. A toxicology report is pending.

Her death last week had sparked widespread Internet chatter among those who speculated that someone killed her to keep her from identifying more prominent clients of the escort service.

"Tarpon Springs Police Department detectives, after following up on several investigative avenues have not discovered any new evidence which would indicate anything other than a suicide by hanging in this case," spokesman Capt. Jeffrey Young said.

Palfrey's mother and sister identified her handwriting in the suicide notes, Young said.

A federal jury convicted Palfrey on April 15 of money laundering, using the mail for illegal purposes and racketeering. Prosecutors said she ran the prostitution service for 13 years. The trial concluded without revealing many new details about the service or its clients. Vitter was among possible witnesses but did not take the stand.

Palfrey had vowed that she would not go to prison, even telling a Washington writer that she would commit suicide first.
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