Amnesty International

[wshtb]

Does anyone have problem with the Amnesty International?

Here is an article about number of death penalties around the world. This article points out that death penalty enjoys popular support in China, which, in my experience, is true. So I don't get why Amnesty International have so much problem with it. Isn't the whole point of democracy that the people of a country decide how to run it? We may not have all that much "right", but this is what most Chinese want. After all, the boss who produced counterfeit baby formula that caused massive malnutrition in several kids deserves to die. Some may favor the idea of life in prison in place of death penalty, but I don't see the point of turning them into leeches of the society.

I agree with the article that killing someone for adultery is kinda extreme. But there are definitely crimes that even a bullet in the head don't do justice, like repeated child molesters.

BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | China 'gold medal' for executions


China 'gold medal' for executions

The Chinese authorities put to death at least 470 people last year, but may have killed up to 8,000, human rights group Amnesty International has said.

Amnesty said the hidden extent of executions in China, where figures are secret, might mean the Olympic host was behind the bulk of them worldwide.

"The veil of secrecy surrounding the death penalty must be lifted," it said.

At least 1,252 people are known to have been executed in 24 countries in 2007,

a slight drop on the previous year.

Just five countries - China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the US - were responsible for 88% of known executions in the world, Amnesty said.

About 3,347 people were sentenced to death in 51 nations last year and up to 27,500 people are now estimated to be on death row.

Swift justice

In its annual report on the death penalty, Amnesty International said China had executed more than any country last year, but warned that the real figure was likely to be several thousand.

"As the world's biggest executioner, China gets the 'gold medal' for global executions," said the organisation's UK director, Kate Allen.


Many governments claim that executions take place with public support - people therefore have a right to know what is being done in their name
Amnesty International

"According to reliable estimates, on average China secretly executes around 22 prisoners every day - that's 374 people during the Olympic Games," she added.

More than 60 crimes can carry the death penalty in China, including tax fraud, stealing VAT receipts, damaging electric power facilities, selling counterfeit medicine, embezzlement, accepting bribes and drug offences, Amnesty said.

Those sentenced to death are usually shot, but some provinces are introducing lethal injections, which the government says is more humane.

The BBC's Quentin Sommerville, in Beijing, says justice is usually swift - most of those sentenced to death are executed only weeks after they are found guilty.

The death penalty has popular support in China, our correspondent says, but the government has been attempting to reform the system.

Last year, it decreed that all cases involving the death penalty had to be referred to the Supreme Court. According to state media, this led to a 10% fall in executions in the first five months of 2007.

Amnesty urged the International Olympic Committee and athletes to press for greater openness about executions during the Olympic Games in Beijing this August.

"The secretive use of the death penalty must stop: the veil of secrecy surrounding the death penalty must be lifted," it added.

"Many governments claim that executions take place with public support. People therefore have a right to know what is being done in their name."

UN resolution

Iran was second to China with 317 known executions during 2007, the report said, followed by Saudi Arabia on 143, Pakistan on 135 and the US on 42.

Amnesty said the totals had risen alarmingly in Iran, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, but that worldwide they showed a drop - down to 1,252 from 1,591 the previous year.

Iranian security officer ties a noose around the neck of man about to be hanged in Iran (5 September 2007)
Iran was second to China, with 317 known executions in 2007

The executions in Iran included the stoning to death of a man for adultery, and the execution of three people who were teenagers aged between 13 and 16 at the time of their arrests, it added.

In Saudi Arabia, those killed included a child offender aged 15 or 16 at the time of his detention, and an Egyptian man who was beheaded for "sorcery" and adultery - one of at least 76 foreigners executed by the Gulf kingdom.

Despite the statistics, Amnesty welcomed the wider trend toward the global abolition of the death penalty, noting that in December 2007, the UN General Assembly had voted by a large majority in favour of a resolution calling for an end to capital punishment.

"The taking of life by the state is one of the most drastic acts a government can undertake. We are urging all governments to follow the commitments made at the UN and abolish the death penalty once and for all," it added.

[baldheadeddork]

Sending Jews to concentration camps had popular support in Germany, too. Did that make that right?

As the article notes, China executes people for property and political crimes, and the judicial system is heavily biased toward the state. It's not a question of if mistakes are made and innocent people are executed in China - it's only a question of how many hundreds are mistakenly prosecuted and executed every year.

[SAHTT]

I was actually the VP of the amnesty international group in my highschool. I just did it because I needed some bull$hit to put on my college ap and I new enough people in it that I could probably get elected.

I still get emails from them years later occasionally. Personally, I think they are a good cause and overall do a lot of good/bring a lot of attention towards important subjects. However, there were just as many things I didn't agree with as I did, they were way too liberal for me.

I try very hard not to criticize organizations like amnesty that stand up for people who have no voice, even if their attempts are often flawed and a little misguided IMO.

But hey, I'm not in africa doing something about it so what right do I have to complain.

[wshtb]

I agree with you that political prisoners should not be executed.

But property crime? Some of them really hurts a LOT of people. I feel that a criminal who embezzled hundreds of millions of dollars off employee's retirement fund deserves to die much more than someone who killed a couple people. Even with all those death penalties, local officials are still as corrupted as they ever get. "Get rich fast then flee to another country" is becoming the standard.

Taking death penalties away, it is all toooo easy for the rich to get away once the spot light shifts. After all, the threat of death penalty really only affect an extremely small fraction of people, and it is pretty safe to say none of them is innocent.

What I don't like about AI is that they keeps applying their standard to people who they neither really know or care. It is all about what is the absolutely "right" thing.

Originally Posted by baldheadeddork

Sending Jews to concentration camps had popular support in Germany, too. Did that make that right?

As the article notes, China executes people for property and political crimes, and the judicial system is heavily biased toward the state. It's not a question of if mistakes are made and innocent people are executed in China - it's only a question of how many hundreds are mistakenly prosecuted and executed every year.