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I try to keep it simple. If I'm a crazy guy, I'm simply not going to go on a shooting spree in a place where there is a high probability I'm going to get shot. Even if I want to kill myself at the end, I don't want to pull out the gun then get blasted away and die for nothing.
On the other hand, if I want to 'go out with a bang', what better place then a school where a) most of the adult faculty will hide in bushes b) most or at least half of the students are girls c) a large proportion of the guys will be nerds d) people are congested and all distracted by ipods d) it's ILLEGAL for anyone to have the power to stop me.
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After watching the entire video, the guy with the carry permit did a good job.
Most of this was anti-gun scare mongering. Talking about drunk college kids on drugs carrying to frat parties?
I was a 21 year old college student with a carry permit. I carried everyday, but not on campus. I was not permitted because the campus is a gun-free zone. I never got out of control and shot anybody. The agruments against this are not based in reality.
"Anti-gun advocates are advocating the continued victimization of the most defenselessness in our society." I love that quote!
Holy crap - those idiot interviewers should take a CCW class, but I guess they'd be exposed to too many facts contrary to their preconceived prejudices.
The problem is, they're afraid that people that exercise their 2nd amendment rights will try to modulate 1st amendment rights in the same manner that they're using their 1st amendment rights to modulate the 2nd amendment rights of others...
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I didn't watch the video but I'll quickly comment on carrying on campus.
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
When you don't know who's CCW, everyone's a CCW.
The gun that is going is not the problem. The problem is with the ones already on campus.
Gun-free zones are victim disarmament zones, plain and simple. Most campuses have porous perimeters. Only policy and the campus cop on the other side of campus are the only means to protect you? That's not good enough for me. It's only "feel good", smoke-in-mirror shit that's not effective. Considering that I can't back a cop, I'm packing heat. At the end of the day, you are responsible for your own self-preservation. The police are not even obligated to protect you.
Google: DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services, and Balistreri v. Pacifica Police Department. If the police aren't obligated to protect you, then who is? I think you already know the answer.
I was a 21 year old college student with a carry permit. I carried everyday, but not on campus. I was not permitted because the campus is a gun-free zone. I never got out of control and shot anybody. The agruments against this are not based in reality.
I was a 19 year old college student with a carry permit. I kept a pistol in my truck because the only one I had was too large to conceal very well. When I turned 21, I bought my kel-tec p-32. I carried it everyday. I'm not saying I did or I didn't, but if I had carried on campus, it never would have been known unless I had to use it. At which time I would much rather have had it and dealt with the legal problems afterwards than had my family deal with the funeral thereafter.
However, thankfully I never needed it. And if I had it, suprisingly, I never went crazy with it. If I had it, it never cause a blood bath at any of my classes.
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I thought about that too. What happens if you print though? What happens if your coat flips back in the wind and someone catches a glimpse? You're fucked, but only with the respect to "tried by 12" as opposed to being "carried by 6". So maybe it's worth it. I don't advocate breaking the law either. That's what's most paradoxical about the gun-free zones. You are now a criminal. It's a felonious act to carry on campus. Even if you're can legally elsewhere (except courts, post offices, bars, liquor stores, etc.)
In Massachusetts, like other states, you can't even leave a locked, legally-owned, unloaded firearm, in your locked, alarmed truck or car.
I thought about that too. What happens if you print though? What happens if your coat flips back in the wind and someone catches a glimpse? You're fucked, but only with the respect to "tried by 12" as opposed to being "carried by 6". So maybe it's worth it. I don't advocate breaking the law either. That's what's most paradoxical about the gun-free zones. You are now a criminal. It's a felonious act to carry on campus. Even if you're can legally elsewhere (except courts, post offices, bars, liquor stores, etc.)
In Massachusetts, like other states, you can't even leave a locked, legally-owned, unloaded firearm, in your locked, alarmed truck or car.
Kel-Tec P-32 is smaller than your hand. I carry it in the pocket. I can be wearing shorts, a tucked in t-shirt, and flip flops and still be armed without anyone knowing it. While it is a less desirable self defense gun (an extremely small framed .32 caliber) than my preferred carry gun (glock 23), it is still better than being unarmed.
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Originally Posted by mikem317
That's what's most paradoxical about the gun-free zones. You are now a criminal. It's a felonious act to carry on campus. Even if you're can legally elsewhere (except courts, post offices, bars, liquor stores, etc.)
Actually, there is no local or state law that says I can't carry on a college campus in PA. The law mentions secondary learning institutions, but I believe that only means middle/high schools.
The problem is that there is a college policy on the campus I attended (and now work at) that says employees and students are not permitted to carry. If I were to conceal and print to a co-worker, I'd probably be fired without question. And there's nothing I could do about it as my employment implies agreement to the policy.
Carry on Campus?
