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Politics & ReligionWell Since every damn forum has one. Might as well leave it out there. This place is loosely moderated and should not be entered if you're weak of heart.
So, do you guys think this is a real threat that should be dealt with, or is it just a neo-con ploy to inspire fear in America? If something like what happened in Beslan happened here, but on a much larger scale as al-Qaida has promised, what would be the appropriate "re"action?
Appropriate reaction to a terrorism? Find the ones responsible, and make an example of them (be creative). Make the penalty for committing a terrorist act so great that nobody would consider it. Think the movie Swordfish. Think fail-deadly.
The thing is, I don't think a coordinated attack on several grade schools around the country would be considered as plainly "terrorism", The retaliation against muslim-americans would be widespread (exactly the effect they would want), much worse than it was after 9/11. That reaction would be publicized around the world which would incite massive anti-american sentiment... Any military action by the US would only worsen things, but obviously it would be necessary. How far would we need to go?
I agree, it's a catch-22 situation (largely thanks to today's media; I won't go into it here, but let's just say I utterly despise the media). But negotiating with terrorists can never be an option, ever. It would only invite more terro...I mean martyrs, to keep on going. A weak military response solves the problem at hand, but nothing beyond that.
Terrorists...they enjoy killing themselves, we enjoy killing them...you would think we would get along better...
Start executing them with bullets dipped in pig's blood. I've said it before.
Nobody wants to try this? It's a hell of a lot cheaper than invading countries.
We have to be too nice and play with kids gloves at the cost of human lives. It would be nice if we could do what Pershing did in the Phillipines. No terrorism there for 40 years after that. The problem is they can play rough and they know we won't. Really urks me.
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As with any other crime, you determine who is actually responsible,and you come down HARD on those persons. Specifically. And NOT on any *other* persons. This is, of course, difficult in practice,but it is the only right and just answer.
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Considering they have supposedly found floor plans of US schools in the middle east, I don't think it is a scheme to scare Americans.
There is no good answer. A lot of civilians will die if we would retaliate in a manner that is fitting. And by a "fitting manner", I will 2nd the swordfish idea. They take over 1 of our schools, we drop JDAMS on 50 of theirs. That is a horrible way to look at it and it makes me sick to just think of doing something that terrible.
But, I'll all ears to any suggestions that would prevent or discourage such an attack from happening.....
Considering they have supposedly found floor plans of US schools in the middle east, I don't think it is a scheme to scare Americans.
There is no good answer. A lot of civilians will die if we would retaliate in a manner that is fitting. And by a "fitting manner", I will 2nd the swordfish idea. They take over 1 of our schools, we drop JDAMS on 50 of theirs. That is a horrible way to look at it and it makes me sick to just think of doing something that terrible.
But, I'll all ears to any suggestions that would prevent or discourage such an attack from happening.....
That approach is not a "fitting manner" at all. It (a) kills innocents, (b) does not kill perpetrators, and (c) incites more hatred and thus creates more perpetrators. Far from preventing or discouraging such an attack, it spurs it all on.
Back to what I said just above. Find out who did it -- if the active perps died in the attack, you have to go up a level and find out who actually trained them, funded them, sent them. And take your response *directly* to THOSE people. If you do this effectively, it (a) directly reduces the number of those people, and (b) will discourage others from becoming replacements for those people.
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That approach is not a "fitting manner" at all. It (a) kills innocents, (b) does not kill perpetrators, and (c) incites more hatred and thus creates more perpetrators. Far from preventing or discouraging such an attack, it spurs it all on.
Back to what I said just above. Find out who did it -- if the active perps died in the attack, you have to go up a level and find out who actually trained them, funded them, sent them. And take your response *directly* to THOSE people. If you do this effectively, it (a) directly reduces the number of those people, and (b) will discourage others from becoming replacements for those people.
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It's certainly not fitting, nor is is really acceptable. Dropping JDAMS or any armament on innocent school children is tantamount to terrorism anyway (this of course, should be self-evident, but I fear that some Dr. Strangeloves in here may not realize it). I think Josh did bring up a point though, and it's to respond decisively at the perpetrators. Emphasis added.
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If the perpetrators do not fear death {see: 9/11 hijackers) how can you target them?
YOU SHOOT THEM WITH BULLETS DIPPED IN PIGS BLOOD.
Fuck blowing up schools. That's terrible. Fly a shit-ton of those water dropping planes that fight wildfires over to the middle east, and dump pig's blood on them. Now what, bitches?
The problem is the same problem...for our country that is.
We are supposed to be "the guys in the white hats"........the good guys.
It's like fighting in a UFC cage match, and only being allowed to punch above the waist, no grappling, no chokeholds etc, but your opponent has no such restrictions.
Guess who wins?
There was something to be said before mass media and the internet...special operations did their thing. Only a handful of people knew what was going on, and they got the job done. Now it's more people involved, and most are afraid they will get blamed if something goes wrong, or maybe they won't get re-elected.
I can tell you from my time in the service, that it's not the NUMBER of troops on the ground, it's the RIGHT troops for the situation. Our specialized units are still suffering from the cuts made by Clinton's administration.
The truth is that to get the job done against the enemies we are facing, we need people who are trained to do this, and who aren't looking to 'catch' those responsible.
That's like what happens all the time in Iraq, but you never hear about on the news...
Terrorists meet at the local mosque, gather weapons, make plans, head out to attack troops. They hit 'em then haul ass back to the mosque, as they know we won't attack them there.
If you're fighting an enemy who will kidnap civilians and BEHEAD them on tape, then broadcast that tape, you are truly kidding yourself if you think you can remain the good guy and still punish those reponsible.
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