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Old 01-22-2008, 09:16 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Financial markets dropping rapidly

DJIA (USA): Down 283 points
.DJI - DOW JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE INDEX - Google Finance

Nikkei (Japan): Down 752 points
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Hang Seng (China): Down 2,061 points
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Old 01-22-2008, 09:20 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Bloomberg.com is lagged. Multiple reports of the site being unreachable.
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Depends on your time horizon.

It's a good time to buy into the market if you're in the long term. There will be price volatility in the market.
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A 2000+ point drop in the Hang Seng is over 8% (8.65% to be exact).



To put that into persective, an 8.65% drop in the Dow would mean a drop of over 1,000 points in one day.

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depends what happens...........if we hit the magic 5% then they suspend trading.
The Dow would have to fall 604.965 for that to happen............
Still is a bad sign that the recession has started...... now we just have to see what foreign investers do. If they start bailing on t-bills then there might be a major correction.
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Hopefully this question is kinda on topic.....So the fed cut the overnight lending rate by .75% today. But what does that really mean for the everday consumer? Does this somehow directly change mortgage rates, auto loan rates, small business loans or anthing that we can easily find useful?

Since I'm assuming that the rate cut doesn't directly affect mortgage rates, then what does? What other factors go into figuing the mortgage rates?
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My understanding is the Fed cut could actually lead to a rise in consumer rates for the short term. Makes me nervous as I'm in the process of buying a house and its certainly a volatile period.
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Hopefully this question is kinda on topic.....So the fed cut the overnight lending rate by .75% today. But what does that really mean for the everday consumer? Does this somehow directly change mortgage rates, auto loan rates, small business loans or anthing that we can easily find useful?

Since I'm assuming that the rate cut doesn't directly affect mortgage rates, then what does? What other factors go into figuing the mortgage rates?
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Raising the Federal funds rate will dissuade banks from taking out such inter-bank loans, which in turn will make cash that much harder to procure. Conversely, dropping the interest rates will encourage banks to borrow money and therefore invest more freely.[3] Thus this interest rate acts as a regulatory tool to control how freely the US economy, and by consequence world economy, operates.
That explains it better than I could.
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Just remember that recessions are cyclical. It's inherent with the business cycle. By trying to use monetary policy to prevent a recession (in theory), you're going to be delaying a much larger and more devastating (and perhaps longer lasting) effect on the economy.

Read some stuff from Milton Friedman. It'll blow your mind.
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Since I'm assuming that the rate cut doesn't directly affect mortgage rates, then what does? What other factors go into figuing the mortgage rates?
It makes money cheaper. While it is not directly related to mortgage rates, it will help pull them down. There will just be a lag.
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It makes money cheaper. While it is not directly related to mortgage rates, it will help pull them down. There will just be a lag.
Also known as "inflation"
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If left unchecked.
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How do you keep inflation in check?

Raise the interest rate!

Wheeeee. This is fun.
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What can you expect when our economy is based on credit and spending? We have gutted our industrial capacity and the jobs in the industrial production sector. If you want to survive, get away from debt as quickly as you can. Our family has used one income to pay the bills and the other to pay down debt. We have paid off our home mortgage and will be completely debt free by June 2008. The worst is yet to come
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