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Politics & ReligionWell Since every damn forum has one. Might as well leave it out there. This place is loosely moderated and should not be entered if you're weak of heart.
And we need to enforce the laws that we have on the books. I would also work to reinstate the assault weapons ban. We now have, once again, police deaths going up around the country, and in large measure because bad guys now have assault weapons again. We stopped it for awhile. Now they’re back on the streets.
More cops are dying because the AWB was lifted? How stupid are can people be? Do they really think if they ban assault weapons, criminals just won't use them anymore? What a crock of shit. I'd like to she where she gets her facts. Oh wait, that's an easy one....
Theory goes, by banning them, makes them harder for criminals to steal, as they wont be as readily available.
They did it over here, closely followed by automatic pistols etc.
Now for a simple pistol, we pay in the vicinity of 3k from a gun shop...
Theory goes, by banning them, makes them harder for criminals to steal, as they wont be as readily available.
They did it over here, closely followed by automatic pistols etc.
Now for a simple pistol, we pay in the vicinity of 3k from a gun shop...
So, did it work, or did it just screw the law abiding citizens?
So, did it work, or did it just screw the law abiding citizens?
Crims are so desperate for guns these days, they dont hold armoured cars up for the shit inside em, they just want the security guards Glocks.
I cant say no one has automatic weapons, but I can say, no one on the police registery has them.
Dunno dude, us law abiding citizens just get used to paying 4500 for olden day bolt action flint locks, because thats pretty much all we are allowed to own.
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Bullshit!
The AWB was ineffective. Less than 1% of crimes are committed with assault weapons. The rise in police deaths is not due to semi-auto AKs being sold to collectors.
The AWB was ineffective. Less than 1% of crimes are committed with assault weapons. The rise in police deaths is not due to semi-auto AKs being sold to collectors.
And FTW, do you know the percentage of LEOs killed by AW?
Sounds like Clinton just wants to introduce more "feel good" legislation, but statistically, it doesn't hold any water. But the rhetoric will work. Look at her followers. They're sheep. They want feel good. They don't want what actually works.
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"The ban may have contributed to a reduction in gun homicides, but a statistical power analysis of our model indicated that any likely effects from the ban will be very difficult to detect statistically for several more years. We found no evidence of reductions in multiple-victim gun homicides or multiple-gunshot wound victimizations. The findings should be treated cautiously due to the methodological difficulties of making a short-term assessment of the ban and because the ban's long-term effects could differ from the short-term influences revealed by this study."
It is evident, then, that the proper purpose of law is to use the power of its collective force to stop this fatal tendency to plunder instead of to work. All the measures of the law should protect property and punish plunder. Frederic Bastiat
There ya go...while we're at it, let's turn over airport security to the goverment so bad guys won't take box cutters on airplanes which no doubt would have prevented 9/11. Plus we can say we've created 60000 new jobs on the taxpayers' nickle.
Then let the govn do whatever they need to to intercept bad guys phone calls, emails, etc. We don't really care if they read what we're discussing here anyways...it's all about safety and security, right?
Then forget all this freedom of the press crap. Shut them all up and tell them what to say b/c we know what the people want to hear.
Next we'll start a state run church. Nothing too religious so as not to offend anyone...just some feel good about yourself mumbo jumbo. Hillary could be the First Prelate of the New Church of Freedom.
Finally we'll qwell any public demonstrations or outcries b/c that might disturb the neighbors.
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It is evident, then, that the proper purpose of law is to use the power of its collective force to stop this fatal tendency to plunder instead of to work. All the measures of the law should protect property and punish plunder. Frederic Bastiat
An unpublished 2004 study commissioned by the DOJ found that "Assault weapons (AW) were used in only a small fraction of gun crimes prior to the ban: about 2% according to most studies and no more than 8%. Most of the assault weapons used in crime are assault pistols rather than assault rifles. Large capacity magazines (LCM) are used in crime much more often than and accounted for 14% to 26% of guns used in crime prior to the ban... The ban’s influence on gun violence is likely to be small at best, and perhaps too small for reliable measurement...Nonetheless, reducing criminal use of assault weapons and especially large capacity magazines could have nontrivial effects on gunshot victimizations. The few available studies suggest that attacks with semiautomatics – including AWs and other semiautomatics equipped with large capacity magazines – result in more shots fired, more persons hit, and more wounds inflicted per victim than do attacks with other firearms."[5]
A 1999 preliminary study commissioned by the US Department of Justice done on the Assault Weapons Ban found that the "limited [study] time frame weakens the ability of statistical tests to discern effects that may be meaningful from a policy perspective", therefore the ban’s "short-term influence on gun violence has been uncertain, due perhaps to the continuing availability of grandfathered assault weapons, close substitute guns and large capacity magazines, and the relative rarity with which the banned weapons were used in gun violence even before the ban"[6]
The Violence Policy Center blames technicalities. "Soon after its passage in 1994, the gun industry made a mockery of the federal assault weapons ban, manufacturing 'post-ban' assault weapons with only slight, cosmetic differences from their banned counterparts. By another point of view, manufacturers responded precisely to the changing legal requirements, making and selling exactly what was permitted. The VPC estimates that more than one million assault weapons have been manufactured since the ban's passage in 1994."[7]
In 2001, Koper and Roth of the Jerry Lee Center of Criminology, University of Pennsylvania, published a peer-reviewed paper called The Impact (sic) of the 1994 Federal Assault Weapon Ban on Gun Violence Outcomes: An Assessment of Multiple Outcome Measures and Some Lessons for Policy Evaluation. They found that:
"The ban may have contributed to a reduction in gun homicides, but a statistical power analysis of our model indicated that any likely effects from the ban will be very difficult to detect statistically for several more years. We found no evidence of reductions in multiple-victim gun homicides or multiple-gunshot wound victimizations. The findings should be treated cautiously due to the methodological difficulties of making a short-term assessment of the ban and because the ban's long-term effects could differ from the short-term influences revealed by this study."[8]
Aside from the obvious give a little now, lose more later progression of gun bans, specific to the AW ban it all comes down to definition.
The above quote refers to Assault Pistols with Large Capacity Magazines. The Clinton gun ban limited pistol magazines to 10 rounds, and thankfully was sunsetted b/c the anti-gunners couldn't garner support to renew it.
So what would crime statistics show prior to the development and rise in popularity of modern semi-auto handguns that have LCPs as defined in the ban? Or what would they show if the semi-autos didn't exist?
Revolvers! So to apply their non-logic, if semi-autos didn't exist at all crime stats would show that crimes involving the use of handguns would be nearly 100% revolvers since single-shot weapons would be less popular as a whole. Therefore modern 7 or 8-shot revolvers would be the target of such a ban and defined as "high capacity" assault pistols.
Bunk.
__________________ ~El Pepeleesta~
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It is evident, then, that the proper purpose of law is to use the power of its collective force to stop this fatal tendency to plunder instead of to work. All the measures of the law should protect property and punish plunder. Frederic Bastiat
[quote=mikem317;3338736]Sounds like Clinton just wants to introduce more "feel good" legislation, but statistically, it doesn't hold any water. But the rhetoric will work. Look at her followers. They're sheep. They want feel good. They don't want what actually works.
Exactly, she will say whatever she needs to get elected, its the Clinton machine in full motion.....
I think they should do what Chris Rock suggests - instead of banning the guns and charging $4500 for them, they should make a single bullet cost $3k. '
It's not the guns that kill people, it's the bullets folks!
Clinton on the Assault Weapons Ban
