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Originally Posted by SleeveleSS
How can you take any info into account if you don't "follow the news." He didn't just say that he didn't watch news television, he said he didn't "follow the news." I'm all for people making their own opinions, which I could still do even if all I watched was FOX. I'm intelligent enough to tell the facts from their opinions or biases. How can he take any info into account if he doesn't even follow current events?
I'm confused by your good German statement. Care to elaborate?
"News" isn't what it sounds like. Any of the major news networks - FOX, CNN, MSNBC, CBS - all have an agenda and will spin their account in any way possible to make it support them.
Getting your info from one source - the example in this case being FOX - will make your opinion biased because you don't have anything telling you otherwise.
Your opinion that this is better than simply not voting, and the omission of the idea that one can form their own opinion, implies that you didn't consider it.
My German comment:
It's better to support Adolf than to be willfully ignorant!
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I have a problem with this statement. Mostly with the power part. If we actually FOUGHT a WAR against Iran, we could probably do it with ONLY the forces from either the east or west coast, with conventional weapons, in a matter of months if not days. Even as weak (in relative terms) as our military is today, we would have a fucking field day with Iran.
You're not taking into account the time, money, or manpower required for an occupation. And after this whole Iraq incident, you can bet the Iranian people won't just roll over.
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The US and Soviet Union have 1000s of weapons, and I'm sure they could turn the seas to steam with all the weapons they collectively built in the cold war, but that was a game of brinkmanship - each had to try and out-build the other. The fact that neither side ever attacked the other is an interesting fact - the other knew that by doing so their virtually guaranteed their own destruction.
"News" isn't what it sounds like. Any of the major news networks - FOX, CNN, MSNBC, CBS - all have an agenda and will spin their account in any way possible to make it support them.
Getting your info from one source - the example in this case being FOX - will make your opinion biased because you don't have anything telling you otherwise.
Your opinion that this is better than simply not voting, and the omission of the idea that one can form their own opinion, implies that you didn't consider it.
My German comment:
It's better to support Adolf than to be willfully ignorant!
I don't support ignorance OR brainwashing.
Read my first post which you responded to. I never said anything about voting like you said. Where did you get that my "opinion [is] that this is better than simply not voting?"
What I have said is this country would be better off with people that get their news from a biases source than do not follow current events at all. I did omit the idea that one can form their own opinion. That was actually my point. The point that I can STILL form my own opinion even if I watch FOX. How can you form your own opinion if you don't know what's going on? You have to follow some sort of news, to find out about a happening that you can then form an opinion on. It's not very useful to form an opinion about nothingness.
About the German thing, if people weren't willfully ignorant Adolf would have no one to support him.
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Originally Posted by SleeveleSS
Read my first post which you responded to. I never said anything about voting like you said. Where did you get that my "opinion [is] that this is better than simply not voting?"
What I have said is this country would be better off with people that get their news from a biases source than do not follow current events at all. I did omit the idea that one can form their own opinion. That was actually my point. The point that I can STILL form my own opinion even if I watch FOX. How can you form your own opinion if you don't know what's going on? You have to follow some sort of news, to find out about a happening that you can then form an opinion on. It's not very useful to form an opinion about nothingness.
I disagree. Misinformed people can do much more damage than somebody who doesn't participate. See: Nixon, Clinton, Bush I, Bush II for starters.
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About the German thing, if people weren't willfully ignorant Adolf would have no one to support him.
Again, misinformed people who supported Hitler gave him more support than he would have had otherwise. See my point?
The bible-thumping, gay-hating, anti-Muslim neoconservative/wannabe conservative who masturbates to Neil Cavuto is more dangerous than a stoned Grateful Dead fan who doesn't participate in the process.
Bush gives $20,000,000,000 worth of weapons to Saudi Arabi! WTF IS WRONG WITH THIS ASSHOLE! MY GOD! Why havn't we impeached his ass?
Bush doesn't give anybody weapons. These treaties are negotiated in Congressional committee, where it could die or go to vote, and then it's approved by the Senate and then signed by the POTUS. So you can blame the POTUS, but you might want to be more knowledgeable about the process before you show your ignorance.
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Thats like giving North Korea the most powerful nuclear weapon and saying "Launch is anywhere you want!" Of course very one is going to make nuclear weapons, and try to build up their weapons.
Not it's not. Come on.
A weapons agreement for 40 F-15s is not the same as arming a rogue state with a nuclear weapon.
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You know what! Screw it, just send a damn nuke to Iran, Iraq, and Afghanistan! The USA wont be here in 20 years anyways.
Sadly, I think that's how a lot of Americans think. How about start taking accountability for your actions FIRST? Ooops. That's too difficult, right?
The bible-thumping, gay-hating, anti-Muslim neoconservative/wannabe conservative who masturbates to Neil Cavuto is more dangerous than a stoned Grateful Dead fan who doesn't participate in the process.
If you think FOX, or any news network or source, turns anyone into the former you are the misinformed one. People that are like that would be like that without television. They are sheeples that follow whatever anyone they think is smarter than them is saying. There will always be plenty of real life charlatans and fakes to lead these people.
You aren't addressing my questions put to you or responding to what I have said. You are just continuing your line of thought. I ask again, do you not think that someone can form an independent opinion watching FOX? Of course they can, and I'm sure do all the time.
And guess what, your Grateful Dead fan, if he chose to become educated and participate, could negate the vote of the neoconservative. That is why the willfully ignorant are dangerous, because though not voting for Hitler, they allowed him to come to power by not caring.
And guess what, your Grateful Dead fan, if he chose to become educated and participate, could negate the vote of the neoconservative. That is why the willfully ignorant are dangerous, because though not voting for Hitler, they allowed him to come to power by not caring.
+1
Ambivalence to the problem is certainly a problem.
Look what happened to gun owners in Britain or Australia. Gun owners didn't take issue with the gun controls, they didn't care about the mandatory registration problem, and guess what happened next? I'm sure you know.
People need to care, that's the problem. Nobody does. Get involved.
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Originally Posted by SleeveleSS
If you think FOX, or any news network or source, turns anyone into the former you are the misinformed one. People that are like that would be like that without television. They are sheeples that follow whatever anyone they think is smarter than them is saying. There will always be plenty of real life charlatans and fakes to lead these people.
You're repeating me.
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You aren't addressing my questions put to you or responding to what I have said. You are just continuing your line of thought. I ask again, do you not think that someone can form an independent opinion watching FOX? Of course they can, and I'm sure do all the time.
No, I don't think they can. If people only have one method of getting information, they tend to believe the info they're given. Without another source, they have nothing to compare it to. YOU might watch FOX and disagree, but you've probably gotten different info from another source previously if you have a reason to be skeptical.
This is the reason why you see people arguing over wedge issues like abortion and gay marriage, and not addressing government's constitutional restraint. They don't have anybody putting the idea into their heads.
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And guess what, your Grateful Dead fan, if he chose to become educated and participate, could negate the vote of the neoconservative.
No shit. But who says his brand of propaganda is any better than the Cavuto fan's?
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That is why the willfully ignorant are dangerous, because though not voting for Hitler, they allowed him to come to power by not caring.
Hitler wasn't voted into office. He was appointed.
Supporting a bad cause is worse than supporting nothing. What would Hitler have done without support gathered from the burning of the Reichstag?
NOTHING. There wouldn't have been an uprising against Communism and misinformed German retards wouldn't have rallied behind an alarmist cause.
I'd like to take this opportunity to point out that MAD is not an effective deterrent when dealing with Islamic nations. The threat of complete annihilation loses it's edge when the enemy believe that they will be rewarded in the afterlife (especially for fighting the "infidels"). If Iran gets nukes, not only do we run the risk of them selling to al qaeda, but we also run the risk of Iran launching themselves...a lose-lose situation for us.
(and no bush, i'm not accusing you of saying it was otherwise)
