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Old 12-28-2007, 05:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
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* Changed opinion to anti-death penalty due to many mistakes. (Sep 2007)
* Opposes "hate crimes" legislation. (Sep 2007)
* Not appropriate to prosecute all illegal adult pornography. (Sep 2007)
* Opposes the death penalty. (Jan 2007)
* Voted YES on funding for alternative sentencing instead of more prisons. (Jun 2000)
* Voted NO on more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime. (Jun 1999)
* Rated 60% by CURE, indicating mixed votes on rehabilitation. (Dec 2000)
* Rated 11% by the NCJA, indicating a "soft-on-crime" stance. (Dec 2005)
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What's everyone's take on Dr. Paul's seemingly soft-stance on crime? Is he too soft? Is this the fly in the ointment for anyone?
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I personally think the standards for crime and punishment are pretty harsh, and in some cases counter-productive. Just look at this list.

"Hate crimes." You can be charged with a hate crime by getting into an altercation with someone of different race.

Pornography. I don't think anybody wants to go to jail for jacking off to something, and very well shouldn't if it's between consenting adults.

Prisons are certainly overcrowded, and decreasing populations would save money. There are tons of non-violent drug offenders behind bars eating away at our tax dollars.

Blanket legislation regarding prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime will just put more kids behind bars. It needs to be evaluated on a case by case basiis IMO.

Soft on crime, I don't think so. Sane, perhaps.
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Hey if he supports bringing back public executions I'm all for him. Solve the overcrowded jail problem.
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death penalty is a definate no-no! stupid idea from an archaic uncivilized time.
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absolutely no repeat offenders...
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I personally think the standards for crime and punishment are pretty harsh, and in some cases counter-productive. Just look at this list.
I totally agree on the sex and race related "crimes". Urinating in public shouldn't translate into a sexual offender registrant.

But he shifted his position on capital punishment, something that most Republicans support. This is clearly a departure from the GOP platform.
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Try selling that to the victims' families.
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Urinating in public shouldn't translate into a sexual offender registrant.
Hard to believe that's even a crime, but...
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That is pretty ridiculous...the son of a lady I work with was arrested for that very thing and is now on a sex offenders list. Makes no sense...sometimes ya just gotta go!
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Hard to believe that's even a crime, but...
Misdemeanor at best. Some states I think it's a felonious act. And requires registration as a sex offender. Rather excessive, if not cruel and unusual, IMHO.
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Perhaps if one was standing in the middle of a playground waiving his johnson around writing his name on the ground, but discreetely behind a dumpster or something like that, no way.
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Try selling that to the victims' families.
Try selling capital punishment to the family of a wrongfuly accused man on death row.

Until theirs no corruption in the government, AKA never, until theirs no chance of an innocent getting fried, AKA never, capital punishment will remain bullshit.
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I'm not advocating executing those that are wrongfully accused. Wrongfully convicted? That's different than being wrongly accused? Conviction culminates in some legal process, right?

At any rate, there was a bill proposed by the Romney administration in Massachusetts that would allow for the execution of criminals who have been convicted of capital crimes. The bill also required "no doubt" criterion. As opposed to the criminal predication of "beyond reasonable doubt".
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Is there a single documented case of an innocent man being put to death? Even one? No, there isn't. Not to say its impossible, but come on. Your whole argument for banning capital punishment is based on something that has never happened.

Absolutely the death penalty needs to be protected. Dont you see that sometimes you just have to take out the trash?

Enough living in theory, appears to be the land Ron Paul lives in. Isolation, end capital punishment...
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