Ron Paul's foreign policy

Jackle1886 · 12-27-2007, 11:58 PM

YouTube - RON PAUL SITUATION ROOM 12-27-07

Just watched this, and I have been a RP supporter ever since i first read about him. Now...i'm not so sure. He kind of reminds me of the Liberals who just want to be all friendly to everyone and not hurt anything....well...sometimes that works and sometimes it doesn't. There are times when we have to take military actions. I really wish that we would just pull out of the middle east, and not support our "puppet" governments. But would people (like Al Queda) still hate us?? Then what, after we become neutral and we just trade with people, but they STILL THREATEN us...what do you think RP will do, is he strong enough in this are to be our next PRESIDENT?

JINXR · 12-28-2007, 12:08 AM

I have no doubt in my mind that RP would rationally defend our nation if we were attacked.

Right now, we're the bully. And sometimes the bully gets popped in the nose. Bad part is that the bully always loses in the long run. Everyone but the bully knows that.

Jackle1886 · 12-28-2007, 12:09 AM

I agree with you. But what happends when we're attacked, are we going to retaliate? Or just say, "no no, don't do that again."

killernoodle · 12-28-2007, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jackle1886

I agree with you. But what happends when we're attacked, are we going to retaliate? Or just say, "no no, don't do that again."

Right now we aren't in a war retaliating an attack on us... we are in a war for no reason.

RP would have definitely gone to Afghanistan, but definitely would have not ventured into Iraq.

bush · 12-28-2007, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Jackle1886

I agree with you. But what happends when we're attacked, are we going to retaliate? Or just say, "no no, don't do that again."

It's been said in this thread already.

RP supported going into Afghanistan. We were attacked, we took action. This answers your question.

However, he did not support going into Iraq, which seems like the right decision in hindsight.

Your questions can also be answered by looking at Ron Paul's voting record on GovTrack.us: Tracking the U.S. Congress

Jackle1886 · 12-28-2007, 10:51 AM

ok, thats fair, thanks for all of your replies. But I have another question. What do you guys think about the statement, "the only way for evil to exist is for good men to do nothing." Do you feel that we should help out in places such as Iraq, when men and women are being murdered every day w/o reason? Or should we stand back and do nothing? What about Darfur, etc. I'm not argueing, just have some things to straighten out in my mind as to what I believe.

bush · 12-28-2007, 11:03 AM

I think we have too much to worry about in our own country to step into other countries' affairs.

We have a weakening dollar, open borders, and a whole handful of problems we need to resolve internally - otherwise we won't have to worry about being the world's watchdog, because we won't have the ability or influence.

Jackle1886 · 12-28-2007, 11:51 AM

well said....now lets tell everyone we know about RP! I have my mom convinced and we've been telling people. My uncle brought up the topic at Christmas and said he was just like Ross Perot and how he'll never win so he was voting for someone else.....how dumb!

bush · 12-28-2007, 11:56 AM

Your uncle is dumb. Perot was third party. If true conservatives voted for Paul in the primary, he'd probably be the republican candidate in the general election. NOT THIRD PARTY.

Aside from that, even if Paul did run third party, he'd be pulling votes from both sides of the aisle.

malik ross · 12-28-2007, 05:15 PM

tell your uncle if he only wants to pick winners stick to picking his nose.

fucking sheep.

BusaDave · 12-28-2007, 08:35 PM

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Do you feel that we should help out in places such as Iraq, when men and women are being murdered every day w/o reason? Or should we stand back and do nothing?

Those are not the only two choices. Black and white thinking seldom presents workable solutions.

Short answer, we offer assistance to those who are willing to help themselves or who are totally helpless to make meaningful choices.

I believe Iraq is largely the former, where the population could make a change if they were to choose to.

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What about Darfur, etc. I'm not argueing, just have some things to straighten out in my mind as to what I believe.

Darfur would be an example of the latter, where people are so oppressed that they border on helpless.

Why do you need opinions to figure out what you believe? Waiting to see who holds up there hand before you vote? Why the BS representation of liberals if you're so unsure of your morals?

jim schmidt · 12-28-2007, 08:53 PM

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Do you feel that we should help out in places such as Iraq, when men and women are being murdered every day w/o reason?

That wasn't happening in Iraq when we invaded. It is, of course, happening now that we've destroyed the country.

troth281 · 12-28-2007, 10:39 PM

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That wasn't happening in Iraq when we invaded. It is, of course, happening now that we've destroyed the country.

Saddam Hussein never killed (and/or authorized the killing of) anyone without a just reason?

blackripley · 12-29-2007, 12:05 AM

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Saddam Hussein never killed (and/or authorized the killing of) anyone without a just reason?

That argument is a vary slippery slope. We right now we are one of the only western country the kills it own citizens (by executions).

Now I'm not offering a opinion on the Death Penally one way or a another.

I do think Ron Paul has a few points. One I believe in is we or no one can afford to be the watch dog of this planet.

Personally the only thing I want from a Government is to protect me and my rights. There are some that think Law's give you your freedom when in fact Laws give the government more power over you.

jim schmidt · 12-29-2007, 01:33 AM

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Saddam Hussein never killed (and/or authorized the killing of) anyone without a just reason?

Of course he did, however most of his large scale atrocities happened prior to the Gulf War. In the last decade, He was in no way comparable to George Bush in his willingness to kill Iraqis in huge numbers.

You ought to learn a little about the things you belittle. This may not be the only thing you're wrong about.