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While this specific example is local politics in Kali, I believe it's representative of what the U.S. government is to We The People and the world.
So how is it that we stop this death march of control? I mean really stop it. Ron Paul? Move a bunch of Constitution loving people into a state? Obliterate key infrastructure? Keep talking about politics ad nauseam on internet messages boards?
Lend me your ideas, from covert ops to letter writing campaigns. All are welcome.
Most people are terrified of having any run in w/ the government, though. A well organized effort might yield 10% of the population not paying in protest. Would that be a catalyst or just get that 10% arrested/cited and the resistance immediately put down?
Now if we could get 30-40% to not pay the gov would have to use the existing money to keep for *more* necessary services online. Perhaps it would open some eyes as to the necessity (lack thereof) of government nannyhood.
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Keep track of what's going on in the House and Senate. I check GovTrack on an almost daily basis. http://www.govtrack.us/
It's a good first step.
Reading bills in their entirety gets me worked up sometimes, but it is necessary. I can't believe some of the unconstitutional shit that people like McCarthy and Feinstein try to push through. Fucking socialists.
Write your representatives to show support or criticism of what you find. Most of the time they'll have their chosen agenda, but with enough people calling/writing they'll start to get the picture.
Engage people in political debate. The common man is a sheep, and they need to be informed. I've been doing this for a while and I've managed to open a few eyes.
Sorry, but I really don't think that there is a solution. The country is comprised of sheep. They beg for a Shepherd, no matter the cost to their freedoms.
Insurrection? Revolution? Not going to happen, and if it does it will mean the end of what little freedom you still enjoy, and the destruction of what is left of the promise of this country.
Voting? Leadership? Not going to happen. The masses have discovered they can vote themselves 'free' benefits. The politicians have discovered that they can promise 'free' benefits and get elected, even at the expense of the health of the country.
Enjoy what you have while you still have it. When you get to be my age you will look back and wonder where it went wrong. Just as I do now. You won't be able to put a finger on a specific date/event. It will creep up on you without warning, because it will the product of a thousand bad decisions by the 'leaders' and the 'lead'.
Sorry, but I just don't have any optimism left in me. I wont see the end, but your kids might. I may have seen the beginning of the end, just can't put my finger on it.
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Merlan said it wasn't likely that a limit on new restaurants would change peoples' habits, even though he thinks it's a good idea.
This is typical. See a problem, identify a "solution" that won't solve it a bit and will cause other problems, but implement it anyway because it feels good to try to do something about it.
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"While limiting fast-food restaurants isn't a solution in itself, it's an important piece of the puzzle," said Mark Vallianatos, director of the Center for Food and Justice at Occidental College.
This is "bringing health policy and environmental policy together with land-use planning," he said. "I think that's smart, and it's the wave of the future."
Yeah, Mark! (The Center for WHAT?!) It's bringing nanny-state over-regulation and other nanny-state over-regulation together with yet other nanny-state over-regulation. It may be the wave of the future, but it isn't helpful or smart.
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While this specific example is local politics in Kali, I believe it's representative of what the U.S. government is to We The People and the world.
So how is it that we stop this death march of control? I mean really stop it. Ron Paul? Move a bunch of Constitution loving people into a state? Obliterate key infrastructure? Keep talking about politics ad nauseam on internet messages boards?
Lend me your ideas, from covert ops to letter writing campaigns. All are welcome.
All of the above. We all gotta push back however we can, or just get rolled over.
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The last post is funny, because if you read a few history books, you know that the beginning of the end is apathy and complacency.
Well documented in the fall of empires and governments throughout history.
No worries, the entire generation under 40 is by-and-large Libertarian, or at least Centrist. We'll take over the government in about 15 more years.
Yeah, read a history book. Point to one, just one, civilization/society that went from rise to fall and then somehow turned it around again with a ballot. You want apathy and complacency? How about the fact that the people would rather tend to the antics of Britney Spears and Paris Hilton than the loss of their personal freedoms. Less than 50% of the legal voting population even take the responsibility to vote.
You are depending on your generation to change the world, just like every other generation has done. Yeah, it changed alright, but not in the way you would like. Hate to tell you this, but the small number of people in your circle is dwarfed by the huge unwashed masses that will always vote themselves free rides if given the chance, and every politician worth that title knows this. Why do you think that 'Universal Healthcare' is being pounded down our throats. That is the carrot. The stick, which most won't even care to acknowledge, is the march to government control of yet another part of our lives.
Centrist? Aren't those the people who don't make a stand for either side? Those that would rather the status quo remained than to actually do something to effect change? These are the people that will vote for anything that looks like a compromise. The lesser of two evils is still evil.
Look, I have worked for change. Donated to groups to effect change. Voted to progress change. Talked to friends, relatives, co-workers, to bring about change. In 34 years I have never missed a local or national election. Guess what, there has been change. All bad. I was a libertarian before it even had a name. Guess I started out and remain a Constitutionalist.
Like I said, no matter who you vote for, government wins. For example, let us say in some wide alter universe Ron Paul actually wins the election. What exactly do you think he will be able to do against the libs/repugs in place in Washington?
I hope you are correct, but history tells a different story.
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Keep track of what's going on in the House and Senate. I check GovTrack on an almost daily basis. http://www.govtrack.us/
It's a good first step.
Reading bills in their entirety gets me worked up sometimes, but it is necessary. I can't believe some of the unconstitutional shit that people like McCarthy and Feinstein try to push through. Fucking socialists.
Write your representatives to show support or criticism of what you find. Most of the time they'll have their chosen agenda, but with enough people calling/writing they'll start to get the picture.
Engage people in political debate. The common man is a sheep, and they need to be informed. I've been doing this for a while and I've managed to open a few eyes.
Get a Ron Paul bumper sticker.
You get worked up? Nah. I don't believe it.
I simply cannot read the stuff these people try and pass. Left or right. I can't listen to it on radio. Stopped reading internet messages boards also. Haven't touch politics in a long long time. Mostly because its the same exact story. The people who hold office write shit to keep us under their thumbs, remove more money from my paycheck, and build monuments to themselves.
They're a bunch of fucking waste products and obviously have way too much time to spend on legislating. We need to get the fed down to one month a year of legislating. That's it. Two sessions of two weeks. Not any more.
I've done the evangelizing for freedom w/ colleagues and whoever is talkin politics. And for the most part I think people understand having freedom over not having it, and when clearly illustrated how its better they seem to get it. Unfortunately hallway conversations are no match of public school indoctrination.
Oh and on a side note, we need to have something built into the Constitution; A "do over" after every 50 years. Seriously, if they only have two sessions a year and have to wipe the slate clean every 50 years they're really only gonna put the shit we need into any laws or provisions.
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No worries, the entire generation under 40 is by-and-large Libertarian, or at least Centrist. We'll take over the government in about 15 more years.
Did you read that somewhere? Like Para stated, that would be a relief. Would love to see some stats or somethin.
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Move to Texas and secede?
Ah succession. I would absolutely love to see it happen. That would shake shit up. Doesn't have to be Texas per se, could be any strategic strip of property (San Diego is nice, not land locked, borders another country, and has nice weather ). While the idea and ramifications of succession are complex w/ many variables and details (too much to discuss here) would this be something Constitution loving Americans would rally around, move to, and defend?
Phil, you think the FSP is looking to have New Hampshire succeed or just simply play ball in the corrupted system? (FSP probably merits its own discussion thread but for the purposes of succession I believe their could be something there w/ FSP if its more than just playing ball w/ the U.S. government.
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). While the idea and ramifications of succession are complex w/ many variables and details (too much to discuss here) would this be something Constitution loving Americans would rally around, move to, and defend?