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Old 08-21-2007, 04:58 PM   #1 (permalink)
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This was a bulletin I saw posted on Myspace. I thought it was scary and funny at the same time! Look at the wording, and imagine how easy it is to interpret these things to make just about any American fit the mold!


Please note, the highlighted areas were already that way, when they were originally posted. I just coppied and pasted the image!





The FBI has passed these pamphlets to law enforcement agencies.



So let's put this out there in simplified english. You are a terrorist suspect if:
* You defend the United States Constitution. (Being a patriot makes me a terrorist?)
* You refer to the United States Constitution. (I guess virtually every school teacher is a terrorist.)
* You believe in animal rights. (Sorry little animals, making sure you're taken care of means I'm gonna blow up a building.)
* You are a lone individual. (I can't think of any way to make fun of that except to say read it again.)
* You are a Christian. (Hundreds of religions, thousands of denominations, but I guess only Christians can blow something up.)

I don't need to say the obvious: Our government has set its citizens up so that anything you do or say that they don't like can be construed as a terrorist possibility. They say that, in short, this is so we can learn more faster and respond quicker to terrorist activites. Bullshit. The government wants to be able to control its citizens and be able to rely on actual laws set in place rather than manipulation or "coverups."

This is evident in The "Patriot" Act:
SEC. 213. AUTHORITY FOR DELAYING NOTICE OF THE EXECUTION OF A WARRANT.

Section 3103a of title 18, United States Code, is amended--

(1) by inserting ..(a) IN GENERAL- ' before ..In addition'; and

(2) by adding at the end the following:

..(b) DELAY- With respect to the issuance of any warrant or court order under this section, or any other rule of law, to search for and seize any property or material that constitutes evidence of a criminal offense in violation of the laws of the United States, any notice required, or that may be required, to be given may be delayed if--

..(1) the court finds reasonable cause to believe that providing immediate notification of the execution of the warrant may have an adverse result (as defined in section 2705);

..(2) the warrant prohibits the seizure of any tangible property, any wire or electronic communication (as defined in section 2510), or, except as expressly provided in chapter 121, any stored wire or electronic information, except where the court finds reasonable necessity for the seizure; and

..(3) the warrant provides for the giving of such notice within a reasonable period of its execution, which period may thereafter be extended by the court for good cause shown.'.

There is not a single part of this act that does not violate the 4th Amendment:
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Ladies and gentlemen, I'm not asking you to abandon hope, and I'm not telling you the end of the world is coming. What I'm telling you is just read what is happening. Look at what your government is doing. They are taking every possible inch of control and leaving no room for argument in a court of law. Technically, with the examples they've given and the new laws they passed, even writing this blog or having this myspace profile is grounds for me being suspected of terrorism.

There is no denying, what we are seeing is one group's throw to ultimate power
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Old 08-21-2007, 06:04 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Ladies and gentlemen, I'm not asking you to abandon hope, and I'm not telling you the end of the world is coming. What I'm telling you is just read what is happening. Look at what your government is doing. They are taking every possible inch of control and leaving no room for argument in a court of law. Technically, with the examples they've given and the new laws they passed, even writing this blog or having this myspace profile is grounds for me being suspected of terrorism.

There is no denying, what we are seeing is one group's throw to ultimate power
I've been saying that for a while, but nobody listened.

We'll see what happens.

No, I am not a terrorist. I love America! Buy more shit! Adjustable rate mortgages for everybody!

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Under recent executive orders a "terrorist organization" can be any organization the President - any President not just W - deems as terrorist.

Also in case of a "catastrophic event" the President can unilaterally declare martial law superceding any federal, state, or local laws including the Constitution of these United States.

I refer you to prisonplanet and infowars.com
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Under recent executive orders a "terrorist organization" can be any organization the President - any President not just W - deems as terrorist.

Also in case of a "catastrophic event" the President can unilaterally declare martial law superceding any federal, state, or local laws including the Constitution of these United States.

I refer you to prisonplanet and infowars.com
I saw your post on www.wearechickenlittles.org right?
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It needs to meet several criteria. At least according to this source.

Actually, terrorism is pretty simply defined as:

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ter·ror·ism (tr-rzm)
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The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
Source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/terrorism
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If you really think the best interests of the average Joe and not an ever increasing grab for power and control by government is what's going on then you are living in a dream world. I suppose you have heard of the database the Pentagon has or had of opposition groups to the Iraq war that yesterday they said they were going to do away with? Could easily declare them a terrorist org. Say a Dem gets in as President and suddenly peace groups are ok and rightwing/conservative groups are persona non grata i.e. the Eagle Forum, NRA, Gunowners of America, etc. ? It cuts both ways.
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If you really think the best interests of the average Joe and not an ever increasing grab for power and control by government is what's going on then you are living in a dream world. I suppose you have heard of the database the Pentagon has or had of opposition groups to the Iraq war that yesterday they said they were going to do away with? Could easily declare them a terrorist org. Say a Dem gets in as President and suddenly peace groups are ok and rightwing/conservative groups are persona non grata i.e. the Eagle Forum, NRA, Gunowners of America, etc. ? It cuts both ways.
This is scary stuff, in the UK they are using recently introduced 'terrorist' laws to arrest people going about their legal democratic right to protest against government policy. Recently we had people protesting at Heathrow airport about environmental issues (they want to expand the airport) and there were quite a lot of arrests under the terrorist laws ... seems to be an easy 'umbrella' to arrest people who've done no wrong.

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Heh, Great Britain called us terrorists when we declared our independence and proceeded to kick their ass.

The whole "terrorist" ideology is just a way to make citizens submit and allow their rights and lives to be stripped away.

I used to think only loons believed this shit, but it's obvious as hell anymore. Guess they knew what they were talking about all those years ago.
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Heh, Great Britain called us terrorists when we declared our independence and proceeded to kick their ass.

The whole "terrorist" ideology is just a way to make citizens submit and allow their rights and lives to be stripped away.

I used to think only loons believed this shit, but it's obvious as hell anymore. Guess they knew what they were talking about all those years ago.
lol, but you needed a whole lot of French help ...

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...and the third ...thankfully people are beginning to wake up a bit ...
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in the end it just makes people dislike authority..
and aids in creating a society of people that distrust authority so much
that they fear them worse then the ganlords that control their hood.

think columbia or china...

yay for 'globalization' of the peasant class....

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A terrorist to the government is anyone who doesn't agree with them OR some group of people not united under the president. It's just a way to control the people with false hopes of democracy and redefining/overusing a word that was used to describe the asshats who blew up three major buildings.

Most Americans are gullible idiots who will believe anything that is given out by somebody in a better position of power or society. Knowing that, the government calls anybody it disagrees with "terrorists", shoves the fear/hate relation crap down the gullible, fat idiots' mouths, and turns a country in on itself.

Doesn't Washington D.C. know that we Americans were "terrorists" too when we separated from Britian? What a bunch of hypocritical bullshit.

I'm moving to a passive country like Japan or Germany. Probably Germany because I speak the language good enough.
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