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They have been tried by their peers and legally been convicted to be put to death. Why not go ahead and do it? I'd rather get it over with than rot in prison and waste your money or mine.
Because the system is not completely reliable, and if you kill someone and then find out you were wrong, there's no reset button. If they're in jail, at least they can have the rest of their life back, perhaps with some additional compensation for being unjustly imprisoned.
Also, you're giving the government permission to kill people it doesn't like, as long as it makes a pretense of due process. Of course governments tend to do this anyway, but I really dislike the idea of saying that this is OK.
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"A free man must be able to endure it when his fellow men act and live otherwise than he considers proper." -- Ludwig von Mises
They have been tried by their peers and legally been convicted to be put to death. Why not go ahead and do it? I'd rather get it over with than rot in prison and waste your money or mine.
Well, for one, the record for wrongful convictions (in Illinois at least) has been horrible. It was bad enough that our previous governor commuted the death sentences.
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When did this country become so overrun with a bunch of tree-hugging, hippy, communist, pussy fags? Grow a set of balls America and say "Fuck you, we aren't going to pay $80,000.00 per year, per prisoner to keep these disgusting wastes of sub-human life forms alive another second!" Quit buying into the constant pussification of America and stand the fuck up for your money and your rights, in EVERY state. Damned bunch of red star wearing fags!
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I was ready to see carnage... blood, bone, and ligaments, but not guy ass.
^^^ i agree, yee haww... thinkins' fer qwers and commies. i knew this countrys always been a bunch of weirdo's every since i read some books by the foundin' fathers and now its just keeps a gettin worse..
Fine don't kill them just let them rot in jail. Many of them probably would rather die than be rotting for 30 years. All of the people against the death penalty probably cry about high tax rates too. The more prisoners the more tax money is needed for keeping them all in "humane" prisons and you pay for all of that.
When did this country become so overrun with a bunch of tree-hugging, hippy, communist, pussy fags? Grow a set of balls America and say "Fuck you, we aren't going to pay $80,000.00 per year, per prisoner to keep these disgusting wastes of sub-human life forms alive another second!" Quit buying into the constant pussification of America and stand the fuck up for your money and your rights, in EVERY state. Damned bunch of red star wearing fags!
Brilliant assessment of the situation. Gonna back it up with another searing and insightful research article by Michael A. Hoffman II?
PhilB
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"A free man must be able to endure it when his fellow men act and live otherwise than he considers proper." -- Ludwig von Mises
Fine don't kill them just let them rot in jail. Many of them probably would rather die than be rotting for 30 years. All of the people against the death penalty probably cry about high tax rates too. The more prisoners the more tax money is needed for keeping them all in "humane" prisons and you pay for all of that.
Death row inmates are a very small percentage of the prison population. If your issue is the cost of imprisonment, then promoting the death penalty is about #2000 on the effectiveness list. Stopping the War on Drugs would be #1. Getting rid of any and all other victimless "criimes" would follow. The prison population would plummet, and the courts would greatly free up, and we could then deal with the actual crimes that people commit in a fair and considered manner for much less money spent.
PhilB
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"If you want to be free, there is but one way; it is to guarantee an equally full measure of liberty to all your neighbors. There is no other." -- Carl Schurz, (1829-1906) German born U.S. Senator and Union Army general during the US Civil War
"A free man must be able to endure it when his fellow men act and live otherwise than he considers proper." -- Ludwig von Mises
Death row inmates are a very small percentage of the prison population. If your issue is the cost of imprisonment, then promoting the death penalty is about #2000 on the effectiveness list. Stopping the War on Drugs would be #1. Getting rid of any and all other victimless "criimes" would follow. The prison population would plummet, and the courts would greatly free up, and we could then deal with the actual crimes that people commit in a fair and considered manner for much less money spent.
PhilB
We have already discussed all of those points in another thread and I agree with most of those points to reduce the number of prisoners. But, every little bit helps and to get rid of death row would help too. With DNA evidence these days it becomes more likely that if they find the victims blood in your car you had something to do with it (unless your OJ).
I know to some people on this thread, my opinion doesn't matter because I'm a tree hugging pussy faggot commy. I'm pro-life, therefore, I'm anti-death penalty. If one person is wrongfully convicted and put to death, then it is wrong.
Guardianofvalhalla, I'm surprised at how immature your posts are, especially at 36 years old. Someone has a conflicting opinion, so your response is to call them names. And what I find funnier, is how if anyone disagrees with how the government is run, they are communists. I thought that doing whatever the government says to do is communism?
I'm not apposed or for the death penalty but I do wish they would broadcast the execution because seeing someone put to death is kinda neat. Instead they always do it behind closed doors.
I know to some people on this thread, my opinion doesn't matter because I'm a tree hugging pussy faggot commy. I'm pro-life, therefore, I'm anti-death penalty. If one person is wrongfully convicted and put to death, then it is wrong.
Guardianofvalhalla, I'm surprised at how immature your posts are, especially at 36 years old. Someone has a conflicting opinion, so your response is to call them names. And what I find funnier, is how if anyone disagrees with how the government is run, they are communists. I thought that doing whatever the government says to do is communism?
Pro-life is a position on abortion, IMO.
Without dialog, how are things going to change? It's the sharing of ideas that leads ultimately to an improved understanding of the problem and an analysis on possible solutions.
We have already discussed all of those points in another thread and I agree with most of those points to reduce the number of prisoners. But, every little bit helps and to get rid of death row would help too. With DNA evidence these days it becomes more likely that if they find the victims blood in your car you had something to do with it (unless your OJ).
Yes, getting rid of death row would probably help with the expenses a little bit. But not very much, and at the risk of killing innocent people. Whereas getting rid of victimless crime laws harms no one, helps many, and reduces costs a *lot*. Hmmm, where to concentrate one's efforts?
DNA evidence is helping the system to be more reliable, but: (a) It isn't applicable to all cases; not all crimes have samplable material at the scene. (b) It isn't *nearly* as conclusive or definitive in real life as it is on TV. (c) Most death row convicts have not been convicted through DNA evidence, and efforts by them to get DNA testing done to try to exonerate them are often denied on the basis of the trial and conviction already being over, and rules against introducing new evidence during appeals. That's the kind of problem, injustice is not too strong a word, that makes the death penalty a poor policy. It's frightening how often, when a convict does get a DNA test done, it turns out that it wasn't a match.
I just don't believe that the legal system is reliable and fair enough to trust with the power to decide to execute people, nor do I think it is possible to get there, nor do I trust that even if it could be done that it would be done and would stay that way. It's an invitation to abuse of power, that always will get accepted at some time by someone.
PhilB
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"A free man must be able to endure it when his fellow men act and live otherwise than he considers proper." -- Ludwig von Mises
Pro-life is the term that those who oppose abortion have taken for their stance, but there are many other ways to be pro-life. It is not clear from his post what his position on abortion is, but I do know a number of people who call themselves pro-life, whose intent is to be pro-life in a wider sense, i.e. anti-abortion *and* anti-death penalty *and* anti-war, etc.
It's often been pointed up the irony of the fact that the "pro-life" anti-abortion people are so adamant about not killing the unborn, yet they are usually supporters of the war and many other anti-life positions. Meanwhile, conversely people who are so very concerned about the lives of living people, poverty, anti-war, feed-the-children compassionism are OK with killing them before they're born. It doesn't entirely make sense.
PhilB
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"If you want to be free, there is but one way; it is to guarantee an equally full measure of liberty to all your neighbors. There is no other." -- Carl Schurz, (1829-1906) German born U.S. Senator and Union Army general during the US Civil War
"A free man must be able to endure it when his fellow men act and live otherwise than he considers proper." -- Ludwig von Mises
I was referring to my stance on abortion, stating that becasue I am for supporting life in abortion conflicts, I am also for supporting life in death penalty conflicts. I'm not saying everyone else is wrong, that's just how I justify and back up my own opinions. Also, mike, if you were saying by your open dialogue comment, that I was in the wrong to comment on guardianofvalhalla's choice of words, I strongly disagree. If you disagreed with your boss, would you call him a pussy or a fag or a commy?
Phil B, you hit the nail on the head with your second paragraph. That's what I was trying to say.
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