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Bush Advisor Suggests Draft
I'm glad Bush isn't even considering it. Any President who puts the draft into effect of Iraq is ending their own career. So many people are disgusted with the entire leadership of the country, and some advisers think this is still a good idea.
WASHINGTON - Frequent tours for U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan have stressed the all-volunteer force and made it worth considering a return to a military draft, President Bush's new war adviser said Friday.
"I think it makes sense to certainly consider it," Army Lt. Gen. Douglas Lute said in an interview with National Public Radio's "All Things Considered."
"And I can tell you, this has always been an option on the table. But ultimately, this is a policy matter between meeting the demands for the nation's security by one means or another," Lute added in his first interview since he was confirmed by the Senate in June.
President Nixon abolished the draft in 1973. Restoring it, Lute said, would be a "major policy shift" and Bush has made it clear that he doesn't think it's necessary.
"The president's position is that the all volunteer military meets the needs of the country and there is no discussion of a draft. General Lute made that point as well," National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe said.
In the interview, Lute also said that "Today, the current means of the all-volunteer force is serving us exceptionally well."
Still, he said the repeated deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan affect not only the troops but their families, who can influence whether a service member decides to stay in the military.
"There's both a personal dimension of this, where this kind of stress plays out across dinner tables and in living room conversations within these families," he said. "And ultimately, the health of the all-volunteer force is going to rest on those sorts of personal family decisions."
Draft history
The military conducted a draft during the Civil War and both world wars and between 1948 and 1973. The Selective Service System, re-established in 1980, maintains a registry of 18-year-old men.
Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., has called for reinstating the draft as a way to end the Iraq war.
Bush picked Lute in mid-May as a deputy national security adviser with responsibility for ensuring efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan are coordinated with policymakers in Washington. Lute, an active-duty general, was chosen after several retired generals turned down the job.
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I think they should re-instate the draft for 18 year old males. It might teach all these mommas boys a little responsibility, and that the whole world does not revolve around them. Everyone who likes the benefits of living in the U.S.A. should also have to serve in times of need.
I'm glad Bush isn't even considering it. Any President who puts the draft into effect of Iraq is ending their own career.
his political career is over in 08, having attained the highest office.
look for something like Iran in th next few months to make him change his mind.
mind you he will be the reason we go into iran, so his mind is perhaps 'already' made up.
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I think they should re-instate the draft for 18 year old males. It might teach all these mommas boys a little responsibility, and that the whole world does not revolve around them. Everyone who likes the benefits of living in the U.S.A. should also have to serve in times of need.
How does that relate to the current war in Iraq?
I don't see this war protecting any benefits of living in the US.
I agree. I don't see the war in Iraq as protecting our way of life...it seems more like we are forcefully expanding it.
The war in Iraq is strategy and necessity. Unfortunately, also underestimated. The execution of this war was greatly flawed. Its intent was well justified. If you are one of these "Bush lied, people died" morons, then nothing is going to change your mind anyway, so I'll stop there.
However, for those clear thinking americans out there, lets walk through it.
Iraq was run by a homicidal maniac. We removed him based on the threat of his past actions and inteligence reports THE ENTIRE WORLD had concluded were true.
That intelligence was flawed. He did not have WMD.
So, at that point, what was the U.S to do then? Leave? And let the entire region be overun by Iran and all the rest of the Islamic extremists? You dont fix a problem by allowing one to become worse.
You guys are right to hate this war. I do too. Alot of americans have died in that hell hole. But think for a minute...
Consider the "big picture". This hate is upon us, and it was long before the iraq war, long before 9/11, long before any of us even cared.
HOWEVER...the difference in todays world is this: These bastards are well funded, can reach us, and have access to these WMD that the world wants to believe dont exist.
War sucks, period. I suppose the thing we need is a better strategy on how to protect ourselves,but sticking our heads in the sand and pretending the problem will just go away isn't it.
We all need to just stop all the partisan BS and think of a way to solve this problem. This is chess, not checkers.
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I think they should re-instate the draft for 18 year old males. It might teach all these mommas boys a little responsibility, and that the whole world does not revolve around them. Everyone who likes the benefits of living in the U.S.A. should also have to serve in times of need.
One of the major benefits of living in the U.S.A. is not having a government that owns the citizens and claims to thereby have the right to coerce them into service. (Even though we've been on the wrong side of this a few times, and the situation now is still fuzzy, with regard to keeping a registration of young men in case of draft.) A draft is simple slavery, and is immoral, unethical, and just plain wrong. If there's a real time of need, where the country is being attacked and must respond in defense, I think you'd get plenty of volunteer response. Drafts happen when the government wants to send more people into hell than want to go.
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I am glad he didn't actually. I may not like Bush, but I am definately not closed minded.
FastNinja you make some good points and I have some responses, but it is time for lunch, I wouldn't want to waste my lunch when I could waste a regular part of the work day
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I think they should re-instate the draft for 18 year old males. It might teach all these mommas boys a little responsibility, and that the whole world does not revolve around them. Everyone who likes the benefits of living in the U.S.A. should also have to serve in times of need.
+1.
I believe that everyone should serve in the military as part of citizenship. AT LEAST make it a requirement to be a politician. We have FAR too many armchair quarterbacks and politicians who have never ONCE eaten an MRE, or spent the night in the cold rain. Maybe if we had a few politicians that actually got their hands dirty, we could avoid the situation we are in right now..
And personally, I am tired of my family and friends serving the country, and having to listen to every protester badmouth this country, when they have never lifted a finger to help it.
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+1.
I believe that everyone should serve in the military as part of citizenship. AT LEAST make it a requirement to be a politician. We have FAR too many armchair quarterbacks and politicians who have never ONCE eaten an MRE, or spent the night in the cold rain. Maybe if we had a few politicians that actually got their hands dirty, we could avoid the situation we are in right now..
And personally, I am tired of my family and friends serving the country, and having to listen to every protester badmouth this country, when they have never lifted a finger to help it.
Of course, thinking the Iraq war was a dumb move has nothing to do with not loving your country and it has nothing to do with disrespecting a soldier's service.
In fact, NOT putting a soldier into harm's way without absolute justification sounds MORE respectful of their service. They serve the country, we honor their service by not exploiting it.
Bush Advisor Suggests Draft
