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Politics & ReligionWell Since every damn forum has one. Might as well leave it out there. This place is loosely moderated and should not be entered if you're weak of heart.
nope. bush does what the fuck he wants regardless of what is right, what his advisors, and what the majority of americans want.
but i guess that is what a "decider" does.
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Can't say I did not see it coming. Still disappointed. I kinda want to find my 11th grade civics teacher and giver a good slap, for teaching me the fairy tell of checks and balances. I have never been a fan of "W", but I have admired his father G.Bush Sr. for being one of the most savvy president of this generation. All thou not a fan of his politics but dam got it done.
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They couldn't let him do time. He must have soooo much dirt on Cheney/Bush. His commutation and possible pardon is a mockery of justice. But some of the founders like George Mason, recognized federalism would become too powerful and the President would act like a king.
How many people did Clinton pardon on his way out?
Clinton issued 140 pardons as well as several commutations on his last day of office (January 20, 2001).[11] When a sentence is commuted, the conviction remains intact, but the sentence can be altered in a number of ways. Some controversial actions include the following:
* Carlos A. Vignali had his sentence for cocaine trafficking commuted, after serving 6 of 15 years in federal prison.
* Almon Glenn Braswell was pardoned of his mail fraud and perjury convictions, even while a federal investigation was underway regarding additional money laundering and tax evasion charges.[12] Braswell and Carlos Vignali each paid approximately $200,000 to Hillary Clinton's brother, Hugh Rodham, to represent their respective cases for clemency. Hugh Rodham returned the payments after they were disclosed to the public. Braswell would later invoke the Fifth Amendment at a Senate Committee hearing in 2001, when questioned about allegations of his having systematically defrauded senior citizens of millions of dollars.[13]
* Marc Rich, a fugitive, was pardoned of tax evasion, after clemency pleas from Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak, among many other international luminaries. Denise Rich, Marc's former wife, was a close friend of the Clintons and had made substantial donations to both Clinton's library and Hillary's Senate campaign. Clinton agreed to a pardon that required Marc Rich to pay a $100,000,000 fine before he could return to the United States. According to Paul Volcker's independent investigation of Iraqi Oil-for-Food kickback schemes, Marc Rich was a middleman for several suspect Iraqi oil deals involving over 4 million barrels of oil.[14]
* Susan McDougal, who had already completed her sentence, was pardoned for her role in the Whitewater scandal; McDougal had served 18 months on contempt charges for refusing to testify about Clinton's role.
* Dan Rostenkowski, a former Democratic Congressman convicted in the Congressional Post Office Scandal. Rostenkowski had served his entire sentence.
* Melvin J. Reynolds, a Democratic Congressman from Illinois, who was convicted of bank fraud, 12 counts of sexual assault, obstruction of justice, and solicitation of child pornography had his sentence commuted on the bank fraud charged and was allowed to serve the final months under the auspices of a half way house. He had served his entire sentence on child sex abuse charges before the commutation of the later convictions.
* Roger Clinton, the president's half-brother, on drug charges after having served the entire sentence more than a decade before. Roger Clinton would be charged with drunk driving and disorderly conduct in an unrelated incident within a year of the pardon.[15] He was also briefly alleged to have been utilized in lobbying for the Braswell pardon, among others.
On Feb. 18, 2001, Clinton wrote a column defending the 140 pardons.[1]
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How many people did Clinton pardon on his way out?
Clinton issued 140 pardons as well as several commutations on his last day of office (January 20, 2001).[11] When a sentence is commuted, the conviction remains intact, but the sentence can be altered in a number of ways. Some controversial actions include the following:
* Susan McDougal, who had already completed her sentence, was pardoned for her role in the Whitewater scandal; McDougal had served 18 months on contempt charges for refusing to testify about Clinton's role.
I remember a bit about that. I remember her on cnn saying she wouldn't lie like the prosecutor wanted her to.
also you'll take note of 'last day in office' W couldn't even let this guy do 1second in jail (too risky)
How come everytime people speak out against bush, people have to start throwing out bullshit about Clinton?
Just using it as an example, everyone is crying about one person being pardoned, doesn't really matter though, the entire government is corrupt, it doesn't have much longer before it collapses.
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How many people did Clinton pardon on his way out?
Bush is covering for someone in his own administration that was convicted in federal court. Scooter lied to the FBI. Lied to the federal prosecutor and obstructed justice.
As Fitzgerald said, we'll likely never know the real truth beyond the Valerie Plame Affair because of Libby's tactics. He ran interference for his boss plain and simple. He clearly broke the law. I don't buy the political witch hunt defense.
Just using it as an example, everyone is crying about one person being pardoned, doesn't really matter though, the entire government is corrupt, it doesn't have much longer before it collapses.
*Carlos A. Vignali ... serving 6 of 15 years in federal prison.
* Almon Glenn Braswell ...In 1983, Braswell was convicted of mail fraud and perjury in relation to false claims about a baldness treatment and sentenced to three years in federal prison. He was later pardoned by Clinton in January 2001, on Clinton's last day in office.
***Braswell != LIBBY***
* Susan McDougal, who had already completed her sentence,...served 18 months on contempt charges
* Dan Rostenkowski, ... had served his entire sentence.
* Melvin J. Reynolds...allowed to serve the final months under the auspices of a half way house....served his entire sentence
* Roger Clinton, ...served the entire sentence more than a decade before.
Bahhh with your FOX News Eazy Cut and Paste....
You compare a guy hawking Baldness remedy to someone exposing a CIA Operative...WOW!
And most if not all served some/all of their Prison Terms.
Bush commutes Libby prison sentence
