For those who don't believe in the death penalty..

1quick1 · 05-16-2007, 06:13 AM

Maybe this will make your rethink your beliefs.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/newsom.asp

King Cobra · 05-16-2007, 06:55 AM

If you realized that reincarnation was real I think you'd see how silly capital punishment is, no matter how overkill their crimes are.

cbrsensei · 05-16-2007, 07:11 AM

Nope, doesn't make me rethink it at all. I think any animal that kills without any reason should be publicly executed.

And if there is anyway King Cobra could give me one shred of evidence that reincarnation is real please feel free to do so.

TheSollyLama · 05-16-2007, 07:25 AM

I think reincarnation would be a great DEFENSE for murder. After all- you can't really ever kill anyone that way. Merely shuffle them off to the next life. So in that regard, there is no murder and you can go out today and shoot a school bus full of 2nd graders. You aren't killing them, right? Just moving them on to their next life........

I think we've really hit on something here. Quick, pass me the 7.62mm FMJ, I gots me a school bus coming up the street now!!!!

KrayZFrameRate · 05-16-2007, 07:28 AM

I just hope that for all that was accounted and whatever wasn't accounted for that they went through that they may rest in peace. That is sick and fucked up. I hope that the family may find some closure in something, although that is very slim.

King Cobra · 05-16-2007, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSollyLama

I think reincarnation would be a great DEFENSE for murder. After all- you can't really ever kill anyone that way. Merely shuffle them off to the next life. So in that regard, there is no murder and you can go out today and shoot a school bus full of 2nd graders. You aren't killing them, right? Just moving them on to their next life........

I think we've really hit on something here. Quick, pass me the 7.62mm FMJ, I gots me a school bus coming up the street now!!!!

There are no victims in life; the things that happen to people are a result of their conscious/unconscious thoughts which attracted their positive/negative circumstances to them. Ever seen that movie called "The Secret"? You create your own reality through your thoughts and emotions.

Anyway, any decision to kill someone will definitely carry over into that next life(s). The price is always paid.

EDIT: Eff! This is in Politics and Religion!?! My apologies.

emayer32 · 05-16-2007, 08:00 AM

king cobra you my friend are a moron your telling me what ever you get you deserve when children are abused or wives that are abused deserve it

TheSollyLama · 05-16-2007, 08:00 AM

and uh, just what physical principal does this 'attraction' utilize? Gravity? Electromagnetism? Strong or weak nuclear forces? A boson or nutrino exchange?

You create your own reality if you believe in religions. When you base your life on hard physical reality, then the only positive/negative is in ferrous metals.

No price, no paid. No Karma, no next life- unless you count the atom exhange we all experience when your body decomposes.

I'll be sure to tell the families of the people killed at VA Tech it was all their fault the bullets were 'attracted' to them and therefore brought upon themselves the violent death they suffered. Sure that will make everyone feel better.

Wow. It's nothing short of amazing the crap people believe

King Cobra · 05-16-2007, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSollyLama

and uh, just what physical principal does this 'attraction' utilize? Gravity? Electromagnetism? Strong or weak nuclear forces? A boson or nutrino exchange?

You create your own reality if you believe in religions. When you base your life on hard physical reality, then the only positive/negative is in ferrous metals.

No price, no paid. No Karma, no next life- unless you count the atom exhange we all experience when your body decomposes.

I'll be sure to tell the families of the people killed at VA Tech it was all their fault the bullets were 'attracted' to them and therefore brought upon themselves the violent death they suffered. Sure that will make everyone feel better.

Wow. It's nothing short of amazing the crap people believe

The Law of Attraction of course, like attracts like.. Doesn't have anything to do with religion, the universal laws govern all matter in existence. The concepts of metaphysics are constantly at work, everywhere. They are what "coincidences" are made of.

The things you see as people being "victimized" are more often than not, and whether you realize it or not, people being presented with a life lesson from which to learn from. Perhaps in the case of VA Tech they were being presented with the opportunity to stand up and protect their own and their classmates lives which are precious, instead of cowering behind overturned desks, in which case that murderous AZN was playing his role.. but that doesn't mean it's an excuse for what he did.

At any rate, I can't make that determination. Just a plausibility.

TheSollyLama · 05-16-2007, 08:24 AM

try as I might, I looked in my newtonian as well as quantum physics books and no 'law of attaction' exists. Nothing whatsoever in a universal concept.

Like doesn't always attract like. A magnet made of the exact same material as another will repel another identical magnet if you try to force the two equal poles together.

And things that are attracted are clearly attracted thru a real scientific principal. In fact the computer you are typing on uses NOTHING but the principal of electromagnetism to operate.

Metaphysics do not exist. It is a pseudoscience that is actually a fancy word for----MAGIC.

And sorry, but magic ain't real. Neither are souls, or life energy or any other new age nonsense like reincarnation or karma ad naseum.

King Cobra · 05-16-2007, 08:29 AM

And magic is just a word you use for something you do not yet understand. Just like extraterrestrials.

TheSollyLama · 05-16-2007, 08:32 AM

No- magic is a word for things that appear to be, but are not. Penn and Teller do many things that appear to be, but they will be the first to say it is not as it appears.

They again use actual science to accomplish the 'magic' they do.

And there is nothing all that mysterious about ET. If there are other life forms in the universe, they must obey the same laws of physics we do.

For the record, I don't doubt the existence of life in the universe. I just don't believe it stopped by earth to hit the pisser and pick up beef jerky on their way to the intergalactic kegger on Proxima Centauri.

All those sorts of beliefs fall solidly into the catagory of Logical Fallacy.

King Cobra · 05-16-2007, 08:40 AM

When you think about anything you are sending out an electrical signal that will attract to you that thing, especially when it is charged with a powerful emotion.

All I'm saying is remember the saying "be careful what you [wish/think/focus/anticipate/etc], you just might, (and probably will) get it."

TheSollyLama · 05-16-2007, 08:52 AM

and i again ask for the pincipal upon which that works......

The electron signal sent out in an IP/TCP format doesn't 'pull' anything to your computer. It is still a function of electromagnetism at work to move actual energy from one place to another.

It seems to me that you seriously need to take some simple science classes. You seem to have this new age vision of 'energy' in some form that it simply doesn't exist in.

Your thoughts are chemical and electrical impulses within the mass of flesh in your head. They do not extend beyond a few nanometers between receptors therein. This process is fully understood already and does not include the sorts of things which you seem to profess.

If 'all you are saying' is that sort of thing, you are in fact saying nothing. If you have a belief, then don't you think it behooves you to actually understand the belief and how things you believe work?

If not, then you are relying on the same logical fallacies as all other religions. They too claim things to be, without any explaination for how they come to these conclusions.

Critical thinking takes a little more effort than that.

King Cobra · 05-16-2007, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSollyLama

and i again ask for the pincipal upon which that works......

The electron signal sent out in an IP/TCP format doesn't 'pull' anything to your computer. It is still a function of electromagnetism at work to move actual energy from one place to another.

It seems to me that you seriously need to take some simple science classes. You seem to have this new age vision of 'energy' in some form that it simply doesn't exist in.

Your thoughts are chemical and electrical impulses within the mass of flesh in your head. They do not extend beyond a few nanometers between receptors therein. This process is fully understood already and does not include the sorts of things which you seem to profess.

If 'all you are saying' is that sort of thing, you are in fact saying nothing. If you have a belief, then don't you think it behooves you to actually understand the belief and how things you believe work?

If not, then you are relying on the same logical fallacies as all other religions. They too claim things to be, without any explaination for how they come to these conclusions.

Critical thinking takes a little more effort than that.

I understand where you are coming from but just because YOU believe it doesn't fit within the realms of "logic" or what a clownish human scientist thinks he "fully understands" doesn't mean its not true.