Wwiii

[bassholic]

How will we know when WW III is upon us. When WW1 and 2 happened did we know it as another war and after the fact the name was given to the wars.

When WWIII happens do you think the main land of US will be attacked. Were we never attacked before, except pearl harbor, b/c of the difficulty to get to use with out us intercepting you/them. With the weapons that we have now, we will see something stronger than the atomic bomb being dropped or implemented.

I guess the start of this will be, will we be attacked at home, or will we just go to another land and hopefully flex our prowess

[bomma]

Originally Posted by bassholic

How will we know when WW III is upon us. When WW1 and 2 happened did we know it as another war and after the fact the name was given to the wars.

When WWIII happens do you think the main land of US will be attacked. Were we never attacked before, except pearl harbor, b/c of the difficulty to get to use with out us intercepting you/them. With the weapons that we have now, we will see something stronger than the atomic bomb being dropped or implemented.

I guess the start of this will be, will we be attacked at home, or will we just go to another land and hopefully flex our prowess

....lol, get real !

Who has nuclear weapons ?, and who has nuclear weapons and the delivery systems required to target mainland America.

We do !, with at least a couple of Trident subs constantly patrolling, and the Russkis probably the same. But the Brits and Russkis are hardly going to attack mainland USA .... look at an atlas to see how geographically isolated you are.

WW3 is probably already started, I can't see any peace happening in the middle East and when that nutcase you have in the White House extends his 'war on terror' to various other countries ... well, other countries are going to join in aren't they ?

So no, you won't be attacked at home as you think you will, it'll likely be suicide bombers and such like ... random isolated attacks at civilians, but they will probably be in response to the US flexing it's muscles abroad.

[bassholic]

Ok glad you have an outside opinion looking in. To us who are in the US do you think Bush can really start a huge war in the yr or so that he has left in power. Or will he just start shit and leave it for the next person in office?

[malvolio]

Strictly speaking, "World War 3" referred to the theoretical potentiality of all-out, mutually destructive nuclear war between the United States and the Soviet Union, basically amounting to the end of the world.

Now that the threat no longer exists, redefining the term to refer to some muslims getting frothy at the mouth kind of cheapens it. Even assuming a country like Iran or North Korea were to deploy nuclear weapons or enable terrorists to do so, we would not see anything approaching the scale of what WWIII has always been conceptualized to be.

The notion that Bush or Ahmedinalibabba or Jim Jong are steering us toward World War III is kind of absurd.

[bugeyed]

Some theorize that WW3 has already started. Germans started WW2 in 1939 and and began invading other countries, it wasn't until 1941 Germany itself became a battleground. Use that analogy and draw your own conclusions about where we are headed.

[stealthy1]

Can camels swim?

[Ershank]

And I thought you were talking about nintendos console

[Punkwood2k]

Originally Posted by bassholic

When WWIII happens do you think the main land of US will be attacked. Were we never attacked before, except pearl harbor, b/c of the difficulty to get to use with out us intercepting you/them. With the weapons that we have now, we will see something stronger than the atomic bomb being dropped or implemented.

Not to pick straws, but Hawaii wasnt the only place attacked.. There was a long ongoing battle with the Japenese in Alaska, San Francisco and New York were also both attacked by the Germans.. Not much damage in San Francisco or New York, and the Alaskan battles were almost completely ignored. But they were attacked...

Both WWI and WWII started out small and slowly. They turned into world wars when more and more countries kept getting pulled into it. I HOPE there wont be a WWIII, but if there is, it is already starting. I think the official WWIII start will be when the first nuke is dropped, because once that happens, the world will be over...

[eye speed]

Originally Posted by bassholic

Or will he just start shit and leave it for the next person in office?

hes already done that.

[Rekd]

Originally Posted by bomma

....lol, get real !

Who has nuclear weapons ?, and who has nuclear weapons and the delivery systems required to target mainland America.

Speaking of "lol, get real!",

Russia has nukes. Pakistan has nukes. North Korea has nukes. All potential (or already) enemies. If those nukes are given to the right people, they could easily be smuggled into this country.

EASILY.

I am more concerned about that scenario than I am about NK or even Iran shooting nukes at us. A few well placed nukes could bring us to our knees relatively quickly, and who would we retaliate against?

As for WWIII, I think we're on the verge right now. Places like Iran, NK, China Russia, all would like to see the US fall. If they all band together, (which it looks like they are), we could be in for a good fight.

I don't think the US will fire the first nuke. We likely will fire the last one (hundred) though.

[Rekd]

Originally Posted by eye speed

hes already done that.

You're so wrong it's funny. Bush is the only person in a power-position who has the balls to deal with the real threats we face from RIMs. Only problem is he's not doing enough, and he needs to secure the US borders.

[Ershank]

Why would China want to nuke us? Aren't we a big customer?

[Triple_Z]

Originally Posted by Ershank

Why would China want to nuke us? Aren't we a big customer?

I don't think that Russia, China, and Iran necessarily want to see us fall via nuclear weapons. Rather, they'd prefer to supplant us economically. China at least is running up the rungs of that ladder. But each is really making it's power play in a sense. China is going for mass industrialization and a burgeoning middle class, which is essentially what helped drive the US towards becoming a major superpower. Russia and Iran seem to be focused heavily on the area of natural resources, the obvious choices being oil and natural gas. But, like Ershank says, they all need somebody to buy what they make. Wars don't sell clothes, cheap electronics, or toys.

From a mass military standpoint, no, I don't think there will be a WWIII in the near future, at least not on the same scale as that of WWI/WWII. Let's face it, the technology and whatnot is vastly different. Bomma's point about suicide bombers, or similar guerilla tactics, holds more merit in my eyes. Conventional warfare from decades ago has changed things drastically. In a knockdown fight, if you take nukes out of the equation, a superpower's land/air/sea capabilities are often simply going to overwhelm a smaller, less advanced adversary. That's why they stick to cellular groups and guerilla tactics. They're much harder to flush out, they can make public statements yet melt back into society, and they don't require large numbers or tons of money. They offer the smaller adversary the ability to fight back.

If you look at it in that manner, WWIII has already begun. If you look at the players, it seems that religious orientation is heavily driving one side vs. the other. Frank Herbert's "Dune" series are interesting. He draws a lot of parallels in his books, many of which you could say foreshadowed events going on the world today. Not bad for a sci-fi work written in the 60's

[eye speed]

Originally Posted by Rekd

You're so wrong it's funny. Bush is the only person in a power-position who has the balls to deal with the real threats we face from RIMs. Only problem is he's not doing enough, and he needs to secure the US borders.

please tell me youre kidding.

[Rekd]

Originally Posted by eye speed

please tell me youre kidding.

Please tell me you're not that blind.

I will say this, when the US let reporters in with military it effectively tied the hands of the troops on the ground. The news media starts throwing bad pics and stories on TV to get higher ratings. Wining mothers and hippies start crying about how evil america is. Politicians start pandering to these loons in order to get votes and to get their face on TV. Politicians undermine the President and kill troop moral. Commanders can not effectively carry out their missions for fear of public outcry.

Is does not matter what Bush does, the politicians will attack him to try and degrade him in order to make themselves look better.Dems are scared little ****es pandering to the uneducated masses.

While I think we all can agree there have been mistakes, the truth is terrorists are being killed by the droves. FACT!

The truth is the problems in Iraq are limited to the Sunni Triangle. FACT!

The north is secure and prospering considering there are very few troops in that area. FACT!

The south is secure, including the oil rich region and ports considering there are fewere than 8K multinational troops. FACT!

The west is secure and very little troop involvement. FACT!

The sunni triangle is the only problem and it can be fixed. Of course, it would take a united American strategy to do that. Can we count on the Media and Dems for support? (heh, I made myself laugh)

Additional Al Qaeda in Iraq leadership figures publicly known to have been killed or captured by Coalition and Iraqi government forces during the Iraq War include the following:

* Abu Jaafar al-Lybi, killed in September 2006 in Baghdad[citation needed]
* Hamed Jumaa Farid al-Saeedi, who was captured by US Marines on August 29, 2006.[citation needed]
* Thamer Mohsen al- Jibouri (aka Abu Ayman), captured in September 2006 in Shahraban [citation needed]
* Hamed Jumaa Faris Juri al-Saaydi (aka Abu Humam), captured in August 2006 in Baquba [citation needed]
* Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, killed in June 2006 near Baquba [citation needed]
* Sheik Abd-Al-Rahman, killed in June 2006 near Baquba [citation needed]
* Ahmed Hussein Dabash Samir al-Batawi, captured on 31 May 2006 in Baghdad [citation needed]
* Kassim al-Ani, captured on 29 May 2006 in Bagdad [citation needed]
* Abu Ahad, killed on 20 May 2006 in unknown location [citation needed]
* Salah Hussein Abdeul Razzaq, captured on 15 May 2006 in Ramadi [citation needed]
* Abu Abd al-Rahman, killed on 8 May 2006 near Samarra [citation needed]
* Abbas bin Farnas bin Qafqas (aka Ali Wali), killed on 5 May 2006 in Baghdad [citation needed]
* Abdel Fatih Isa (aka Abu Aisha), captured on 3 May in Karbala [citation needed]
* Rafid Ibrahim Fattah (aka Abu Umar al-Kurdi), killed on 27 March 2006 near Abu Ghraib [citation needed]
* Muhammed Hila Hammad Ubaydi (aka Abu Ayman), captured on 7 March 2006 in south Baghdad [citation needed]
* Akram Mahmud Al Mushhadani (aka Abu Asma), killed on 24 February 2006 in northern Baghdad [citation needed]
* Mohammed Rabei (aka Abu Dhar), captured on 6 February 2006 [citation needed]
* Ramsi Ahmed Ismael Muhammed (aka Abu Qatada), captured on 29 December 2005 south of Baghdad [citation needed]
* Abu Azzam, killed on 26 September 2005 in Baghdad [citation needed]
* Abu Nasir, killed on 26 September 2005 in al-Ushsh [citation needed]
* Abu Khallad, killed on 26 September 2005 in Mosul [citation needed]
* Shehab Hamed (aka Abu Ali), killed on 19 September 2005 in Haditha [citation needed]
* Taha Ibrahim Yasin Becher (aka Abu Fatima), captured on 17 September 2005 in Mosul [citation needed]
* Hamed Saeed Ismael Mustafa (aka Abu Shahed), captured on 17 September 2005 in Mosul [citation needed]
* Abu Zayd, killed on 10 September 2005 in Zanazil [citation needed]
* Abu Ali, killed on 7 September 2005 in Jaramil [citation needed]
* Ayad Adnan Away Samir, captured on 5 September 2005 in Fallujah area [citation needed]
* Nawfal Muwafaq Ahmad ‘Abdullah, captured on 3 September 2005 in Mosul [citation needed]
* Abu Mujahir, killed on 27 August 2005 in Mosul [citation needed]
* Abdallah Najim Muhammad Husayn (aka Abu Nijim), captured on 26 August 2005 in Mosul [citation needed]
* Bassam Muhammad Ahmad Sultan (aka Abu Shayma), captured on 26 August 2005 in Mosul [citation needed]
* Durayd Jassar Khalifah Hamud (aka Abu Jabbar), captured on 23 August 2005 in Ramadi [citation needed]
* Ali Husayn Muhammad Jasim (aka Khalid Nazal), captured on 23 August 2005 in Ramadi [citation needed]
* Mohammed Salah Sultan (aka Abu Zubair), killed on 14 August 2005 in Mosul [citation needed]
* Ammar Abu Bara (aka Amar Hussein Hasan), captured on 27 July 2005 in Mosul [citation needed]
* Hamdi Tantawi, captured on 24 July 2005 in Yusifiyah [citation needed]
* Salah Suleiman al-Loheibi, captured on 15 January 2005 [citation needed]
* Khamis Farhan Khalaf Abd al-Fahdawi (aka Abu Seba), captured on 9 July 2005 in Ramadi [citation needed]
* Khalid Suleiman Darwish (aka Abu Alghadiya), killed on 27 June 2005 in al-Qa'im [citation needed]
* Hilal Hussein al-Badrani, captured on 25 June 2005 in al-Shurqat [citation needed]
* Salim Mohammed Ahmed (aka Abu Nabhan), captured on 18 June 2005 in Mosul [citation needed]
* Mohammed Thaer Ibrahim (aka Abu Sarhan), captured on 18 June 2005 in Mosul [citation needed]
* Mohammed Khalif Shaiker (aka Abu Talha), captured on 26 June 2005 in Mosul [citation needed]
* Abed Dawood Suleiman, captured on 15 June 2005 in Khalidiyah [citation needed]
* Ammar Al-Zubaydi (aka Abu Abbas), captured on 5 May 2005 in Baghdad [citation needed]
* Salman Aref Abdulkadir Khwamurad al-Zardowe (aka Abu Sharif), captured in April 2005 in Ramadi [citation needed]
* Hamza Ali Ahmed al-Widmizyar (aka Abu Majid), captured in April 2005 in Ramadi [citation needed]
* Mahir Sabah Injil Hinaydis al-Unayzi (aka Abu Usama), captured on 20 February 2005 in unknown location [citation needed]
* Talib Mikhlif Arsan Walman al-Dulaymi (aka Abu Qutaybah), captured on 15 February 2005 in Anah [citation needed]
* Ahmad Khalid Marad Isma’il al-Rawi (aka Abu Uthman), captured on 15 February 2005 in Anah [citation needed]
* Anat Mohammed Hamat al-Kays (aka Abu Alid), captured on 28 January 2005 [citation needed]
* Ali Hamad Yassin al-Issawi, captured on 15 January 2005 [citation needed]
* Anad Mohammed Qais, captured on 15 January 2005 [citation needed]
* Sami Mohammed Ali Said al-Jaaf (aka Abu Omar al-Kurdi), captured on 15 January 2005 in Baghdad [citation needed]
* Abu Khattab, killed on 10 December 2004 in Fallujah [citation needed]
* Abu Sufiyan, killed on 10 December 2004 in Fallujah [citation needed]
* Hassan Ibrahim Farhan Zaydi, killed in December