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Old 01-29-2007, 10:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Why Did it Have to be ... Guns?
by L. Neil Smith
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Over the past 30 years, I've been paid to write almost two million words, every one of which, sooner or later, came back to the issue of guns and gun-ownership. Naturally, I've thought about the issue a lot, and it has always determined the way I vote.

People accuse me of being a single-issue writer, a single- issue thinker, and a single- issue voter, but it isn't true. What I've chosen, in a world where there's never enough time and energy, is to focus on the one political issue which most clearly and unmistakably demonstrates what any politician—or political philosophy—is made of, right down to the creamy liquid center.

Make no mistake: all politicians—even those ostensibly on the side of guns and gun ownership—hate the issue and anyone, like me, who insists on bringing it up. They hate it because it's an X-ray machine. It's a Vulcan mind-meld. It's the ultimate test to which any politician—or political philosophy—can be put.

If a politician isn't perfectly comfortable with the idea of his average constituent, any man, woman, or responsible child, walking into a hardware store and paying cash—for any rifle, shotgun, handgun, machinegun, anything—without producing ID or signing one scrap of paper, he isn't your friend no matter what he tells you.

If he isn't genuinely enthusiastic about his average constituent stuffing that weapon into a purse or pocket or tucking it under a coat and walking home without asking anybody's permission, he's a four-flusher, no matter what he claims.

What his attitude—toward your ownership and use of weapons—conveys is his real attitude about you. And if he doesn't trust you, then why in the name of John Moses Browning should you trust him?

If he doesn't want you to have the means of defending your life, do you want him in a position to control it?

If he makes excuses about obeying a law he's sworn to uphold and defend—the highest law of the land, the Bill of Rights—do you want to entrust him with anything?

If he ignores you, sneers at you, complains about you, or defames you, if he calls you names only he thinks are evil—like "Constitutionalist"—when you insist that he account for himself, hasn't he betrayed his oath, isn't he unfit to hold office, and doesn't he really belong in jail?

Sure, these are all leading questions. They're the questions that led me to the issue of guns and gun ownership as the clearest and most unmistakable demonstration of what any given politician—or political philosophy—is really made of.

He may lecture you about the dangerous weirdos out there who shouldn't have a gun—but what does that have to do with you? Why in the name of John Moses Browning should you be made to suffer for the misdeeds of others? Didn't you lay aside the infantile notion of group punishment when you left public school—or the military? Isn't it an essentially European notion, anyway—Prussian, maybe—and certainly not what America was supposed to be all about?

And if there are dangerous weirdos out there, does it make sense to deprive you of the means of protecting yourself from them? Forget about those other people, those dangerous weirdos, this is about you, and it has been, all along.

Try it yourself: if a politician won't trust you, why should you trust him? If he's a man—and you're not—what does his lack of trust tell you about his real attitude toward women? If "he" happens to be a woman, what makes her so perverse that she's eager to render her fellow women helpless on the mean and seedy streets her policies helped create? Should you believe her when she says she wants to help you by imposing some infantile group health care program on you at the point of the kind of gun she doesn't want you to have?

On the other hand—or the other party—should you believe anything politicians say who claim they stand for freedom, but drag their feet and make excuses about repealing limits on your right to own and carry weapons? What does this tell you about their real motives for ignoring voters and ramming through one infantile group trade agreement after another with other countries?

Makes voting simpler, doesn't it? You don't have to study every issue—health care, international trade—all you have to do is use this X-ray machine, this Vulcan mind-meld, to get beyond their empty words and find out how politicians really feel. About you. And that, of course, is why they hate it.

And that's why I'm accused of being a single-issue writer, thinker, and voter.

But it isn't true, is it?


Permission to redistribute this article is herewith granted by the author—provided that it is reproduced unedited, in its entirety, and appropriate credit given.

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I'm against gun control, but his arguments aren't sound at all. People aren't to be trusted.
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I'm against gun control, but his arguments aren't sound at all. People aren't to be trusted.
The point is, I trust me more than I trust you! I don't trust the government at all!
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i have to be honest, i really dont buy the whole arguement that the government wants to ban guns so they can exert more power. its seems flimsy and tin-foil. (im not saying that wouldnt eventually be true at some point though). i just think its a really sincere, yet bad alternative. along the same lines as spying on any and every american to fight terrorism. in fact i cant see how you are against one and not the other.
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Neither is the government, that's the point.

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i have to be honest, i really dont buy the whole arguement that the government wants to ban guns so they can exert more power.
I don't think legislators sit in shadowy back rooms thinking, "How can I get more power? That's it, gun control!" I think most anti-gunners (at least at first) sincerely want to save lives and lower crime, which is noble enough and sounds nice in theory (which makes the snake oil easy to sell), but the end result is that the government exerts more power over what you can and cannot do.
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Neither is the government, that's the point.


I don't think legislators sit in shadowy back rooms thinking, "How can I get more power? That's it, gun control!" I think most anti-gunners (at least at first) sincerely want to save lives and lower crime, which is noble enough and sounds nice in theory (which makes the snake oil easy to sell), but the end result is that the government exerts more power over what you can and cannot do.
Another end result is that gun control laws only affect law-abiding citizens, not the people that SHOULD be affected by the laws.

New laws won't stop people that are illegally obtaining firearms in the first place.
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i have to be honest, i really dont buy the whole arguement that the government wants to ban guns so they can exert more power. its seems flimsy and tin-foil. (im not saying that wouldnt eventually be true at some point though). i just think its a really sincere, yet bad alternative. along the same lines as spying on any and every american to fight terrorism. in fact i cant see how you are against one and not the other.
I agree, that at this point, I dont think the GOV is specifically trying to de-arm us for takeover... The point is that if a Prez DOES decide to try it in the future, we wont be able to stop him, because we gave up our guns X number of years ago..

I'm not really sure that having guns could stop the GOV anyways. Back in the Independance days, there were only a few types of guns, and owning one meant that you were pretty close to equal with a governemnt soldier. What you had in your log-house was probably the same weapon the soldier had in his barracks..
But now.. How many of us have a .50cal Barrett sniper rifle, or an M1-A1 tank, or a fighter/bomber.. Even if we were allowed to own fully automatic assault rifles, we couldnt hold off the GOV for more than a few nano-seconds if it came to civil war.. Guns are pretty much only useful for home protection now, and an Assault Rifle is pretty useless in the confines of your home.
I am completely against gun control, but we have past the time when we could effectively resist the government militarily..
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Kinda getting off-track. The original point is that you can tell a lot about a politician by his or her stance on gun control. I happen to agree with that. Basically, it tells me if he or she sees people as citizens or subjects.
Good point. Personally, gun control is the deciding factor in my voting. I would even vote for Hillary if she took a pro-gun position.

I would have to burn my eyes out with a fire-poker in shame, but I would vote for her.
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Good point. Personally, gun control is the deciding factor in my voting. I would even vote for Hillary if she took a pro-gun position.

I would have to burn my eyes out with a fire-poker in shame, but I would vote for her.
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that and anyone that thinks you go against the government in an all out war is a fool

10 men with skills could shut this fucking country down.

1000 men with skills could create a revolution.............

The idea of our own military gunning down its own citizens is funny. Id bet youd see alot of soldiers parting ways over that...........

The idea is that you should have this right to make them think twice. Only tyrants keep their people unarmed. Its much easier to control them that way.
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