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A "well armed militia" only works if the government's military is on your side. If all the politicians have to do is call on the military to protect them whenever a bunch of civilians with guns come to throw them out of office, then having a militia doesn't do you much good. Don't get me wrong, I believe in people's right to organize their owned armed defense, but that just the reality.
Thats funny, because right now, a "well armed militia" is holding its own against our entire military in Iraq right now. When you have a militia with its own weapons, fighting on their own soil, in their own towns, then a major military has no chance of winning. For every militia member killed, another will take his place. I hope that in our own revolution, we would be more humanitarian, and not suicide bomb anyone, but I dont believe the military would have any easier of a time putting down a revolution on the homeland.
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I would presume many (if not most) of the US military would not shoot against their own people, especially if things got to the point where the militia included police officers, women, and children.
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I would presume many (if not most) of the US military would not shoot against their own people, especially if things got to the point where the militia included police officers, women, and children.
If it ever got to that point, there would have to be a MAJOR uprising for the military to stop for a second, scratch their heads, and say, "Maybe the people are right?"
Lots of our own citizens would die before that happened.
Thats funny, because right now, a "well armed militia" is holding its own against our entire military in Iraq right now. When you have a militia with its own weapons, fighting on their own soil, in their own towns, then a major military has no chance of winning. For every militia member killed, another will take his place. I hope that in our own revolution, we would be more humanitarian, and not suicide bomb anyone, but I dont believe the military would have any easier of a time putting down a revolution on the homeland.
Well, you will have a hard time finding examples in history where a successful revolution occurred without the government military revolting on its masters. It happened in the American, French, Russian, Chinese and Iranian revolutions, in every case, the native military turned on its own government. A revolution requires 2 things, a revolting military and native support for that revolt.
In Iraq, the US military has no base of popular support, the Iraq resistance does. That's what makes a difference. Same thing happened in Vietnam, where there was no support for the US military with the native population. Of course, after Americans left Vietnam, their puppets there, along with the South Vietnamese Army, fell like a house of cards. They had no popular support. If the US military had no popular mass support vs a native militia in their homeland, it's unlikely they would be running to the defense of politicians in the first place because they are intricably tied in with their native base of mass support. If things got so bad that a militia had to rise to get rid of the politicians and government, it's likely the native military would revolt anyway. Except, if the US government still had a vistage of popular support, then the militia would be crushed.
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Well, you will have a hard time finding examples in history where a successful revolution occurred without the government military revolting on its masters. It happened in the American, French, Russian, Chinese and Iranian revolutions, in every case, the native military turned on its own government. A revolution requires 2 things, a revolting military and native support for that revolt.
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All it really takes is 10 or so really good long range shooters. If you wipe out a large part of the lead government..........things will get shaken up.
What alot of you envision isnt likely. For it to be successful, it would need to be carefully orchastrated and happen in one quick swoop.
Things would be done across the country. To make sure you didnt miss your opportunity.
If you rallied up in full view, youd be crushed like the peeps at Waco.
Labeled as a cult or dangerous element. Made to be the boogeyman.
This could happen............with the right people behind it.
The military would split if forced to take action against citizens...........sure there are a lot of robots in the military but then again there are regular free thinkers too.
Thats where the turmoil would happen. Getting the rift in the military.
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Well, you will have a hard time finding examples in history where a successful revolution occurred without the government military revolting on its masters. It happened in the American, French, Russian, Chinese and Iranian revolutions, in every case, the native military turned on its own government. A revolution requires 2 things, a revolting military and native support for that revolt.
In Iraq, the US military has no base of popular support, the Iraq resistance does. That's what makes a difference. Same thing happened in Vietnam, where there was no support for the US military with the native population. Of course, after Americans left Vietnam, their puppets there, along with the South Vietnamese Army, fell like a house of cards. They had no popular support. If the US military had no popular mass support vs a native militia in their homeland, it's unlikely they would be running to the defense of politicians in the first place because they are intricably tied in with their native base of mass support. If things got so bad that a militia had to rise to get rid of the politicians and government, it's likely the native military would revolt anyway. Except, if the US government still had a vistage of popular support, then the militia would be crushed.
Revolutions almost always start with the people. Revolutions do not start in the military. It is the people who start the uprising, and then the military splits, with some for the government, and the rest for the revolution. There is no way the entire military will side with the government. Believe me, just because you are a soldier, doesnt mean you are happy with the government. And shooting at Iraqi militia is a hell of a lot easier than firing on your own people.
I believe we will see a legitimate revolution in our lifetimes, especially if there arent some HUGE changes in government soon.
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Not to undermine whats being said about revolutions and whatnot, that movie delivered a bone chilling line that still gives me goosebumps:
"People shouldn't fear their governments. Governments should fear their people."
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I think that it's an important movie, because while right now now we are far from that world, we need to act now to prevent it. If we wait until it's around the corner to work against it, than tyranny is inevitable.
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I think that it's an important movie, because while right now now we are far from that world, we need to act now to prevent it. If we wait until it's around the corner to work against it, than tyranny is inevitable.
um.. I dont think we are very far from that world at all. Government eavesdropping on all its citizens, aka Patriot Act. No weapons, aka Brady Bill.
Homosexuals are forced to hide, aka, 48 states have laws against homosexuals..
I dont think the government is that far off the movie already... They are already making new laws everyday to "protect" us from shit we didnt even know we needed protection from.
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No matter how revolutions start, it is the responsbilility of the people to keep their government in check. Which is exactly why the government should fear their people. We must be able to think for ourselves and not believe the constant propaganda that is being fed to us (read: doublespeak). This whole thing is very Orwellian and reminds me of 1984.
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