Dishonest Photographs

scatterbrained · 07-31-2006, 09:48 PM

I would say that I absolutely can't believe it, but that would be too far from the truth. War is reprehensible, but if the people hitting you don't want to talk, all you can do is try to hit back harder. Casualties occur, civilian and otherwise.
This has always been a reluctantly accepted fact of life. But for these people to so flagrantly exploit the deaths of these children to manipulate international and internal opinion is beyond the pale. The odious, macabre parading of the dead before the cameras is downright despicable.
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jim schmidt · 07-31-2006, 10:29 PM

I think pictures and video from the front should be required viewing for anyone whose country is involved in a particular conflict. The only reason we stopped seeing pictures of war was that they made it harder for the government to start or continue one. So the government made up a phony issue about respect and privacy. You'll notice that you don't see pictures of the children we've killed in Iraq right?

You don't want to look at dead soldiers or dead children then work to prevent their deaths, not to hide them. Those photos were brutally honest. There is not a scintilla of dishonesty in them.

kevinwilly · 07-31-2006, 10:58 PM

He's not saying there's dishonestly in them, per se.

He's saying that the guy held onto the dead kid for over 30 minutes in order to take more photographs and the little dead girl was also moved around to pose in pictures.

It's just kinda sick.

I mean- yeah, seeing dead people is good for stirring up emotions.... but if my child was already dead, i wouldn't want them going around posing him in pictures....

TTsixxer · 07-31-2006, 11:03 PM

Yes what happened there was real. But the point of that page is to point out the fact that those pictures were staged. They're not "action pictures" per say, but staged pictures to spread propaganda. Just the fact that they used those dead children to pose and spread that crap really angers me.

Fargin_Bastige · 08-01-2006, 02:18 AM

It's war. This is the reality of it. Whether or not he held onto the kid for long, it's not distorting the reality of it.

It's not like the kid is going to jump up and run around after he lets go. War is ugly and people die. If someone wants to dismiss this fact, they need a reminder.

People think this shit is a video game. It's not. This is what war is, a dead baby caught in the crossfire. No distortion of reality required.

scatterbrained · 08-01-2006, 02:43 AM

It's not a matter of a dead child, it's a matter of a man who works for hezbolla (too drunk to tyoe right) that intentionally makes a point of being wherever these things are to exploit them to gain support for his cause, if you actually explore the page you will see that he was also there in 96 doing the same thing.
It's disgusting,
If you want my opinion on war.....dolce et decorum est
these people are parking their missile launchers in apt complexes then complaining about the civilians that get caught up in the crossfire. I say fuck em

Fargin_Bastige · 08-01-2006, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by scatterbrained

It's not a matter of a dead child, it's a matter of a man who works for hezbolla (too drunk to tyoe right) that intentionally makes a point of being wherever these things are to exploit them to gain support for his cause, if you actually explore the page you will see that he was also there in 96 doing the same thing.
It's disgusting,
If you want my opinion on war.....dolce et decorum est
these people are parking their missile launchers in apt complexes then complaining about the civilians that get caught up in the crossfire. I say fuck em

Again, not picking a side, this is just the reality of war. No matter who is using the pics.

You're expecting someone who sympathizes with killing a human to place value on human life. Consider the source. The fact is that the kid shouldn't have to die. The kid was killed by a group of war mongers fighting another group of war mongers.

Not to mention that the photographs aren't lies. Those really are dead children.

DCMETRO1 · 08-01-2006, 09:49 AM

lets see, Israel killed about 50 people in cold blood including many children and you idiots are arguing whether or not they should take photographs of it....

next time your family gets decimated along with many children lets see how you react, I guess you know right... because you are here predicting what you would do,

jim schmidt · 08-01-2006, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by scatterbrained

these people are parking their missile launchers in apt complexes then complaining about the civilians that get caught up in the crossfire. I say fuck em

This is another phony propoganda issue. The Israelis also bivoac in cities and do their shopping in local markets.

Everyone does. The only exception is when the town is hostile, like Bagdad. And that's for protection of troops, not citizens.

hybrid · 08-01-2006, 12:21 PM

You guys fucking astound me...............ITS WAR....................

Yes innocent people get killed in war. Im guessing that more kids have been killed in car "accidents" this year than have been killed in Lebannon.

Dude, I dont care what anyone says, you park a fucking missile launcher in an apartment building..........then that building gets leveled. The people who lived there knew those fucks were parking one in their building and could have done something to shun it.

Civilian shields are pussy and its no different then the scoundrels that take women as shields to attack forces. If youre shooting at me, I dong care what you hide behind Im shooting at you.

bzbatl · 08-01-2006, 01:08 PM

There's two ways I'm looking at this now, and both are difficult situations.

One, the Israelis are attacking civilian areas due to Hezbollah locating themselves in the areas. Maybe it's a pussy move, a anti-PR move for Israel, or possibly it's the best location to fire on Israel from... I don't know. Regardless, the attacks on civilian areas is not looking good for Israel and many in Lebanon are looking at this as a war against Lebanese, not just Hezbollah.

Therefore, they are now "in support" of Hezbollah if for no reason other than they are shooting at their common attacker.

My alternate way of looking at it is that some of the more educated Lebanese would see that Hezbollah is the reason that they are being attacked, and should do something... but what?

A bunch of psychopath terrorists show up with missles in your hood, and you can't leave because the "good guys" blew up the roads and bridges. Do you fight against the terrorists, who are far better equipped?

Israel just needs to invade faster, instead of trying to pinpoint the thousands of rocket launch sites. The Lebanese need to arm themselves against Hezbollah. Neither will happen.

jasonn · 08-01-2006, 01:18 PM

They all want us dead. Terrorist or not. They hate us. The damn kids are taught to hate us. Fuckin' Mee-maw and Pee-Paw hate us too. They can be born, grow up, eat sleep shit and fuck and NEVER TOUCH A WEAPON but in their conversations to each other. It's okay and acceptable to want US TO BE WIPED OFF OF THIS EARTH. In their thoughts. We are evil. In their news when we take another casualty they think it's a blessing.

You fucks can argue this untill the cows are fucking in your bedrooms... You will find no sympathy here.

(And yes... They even come over here on visas where we educate them and they hate us. They own jewelry stores and fucking gas stations here. Sell you a fuckin slushie with your 5 bucks for gas you broke fuck and guess what? They still hate us)

blndebmbr · 08-01-2006, 01:30 PM

My simple minded thought on this topic...good lord save me as I am in the politics forum....

I suppose the photographed "handling" of these dead children is ok. I mean, it's not like the photographers dragged the children's bodies through the streets or anything. There's nothing disrespectful about these children's bodies being handled and posed accordingly by "rescue workers". Now, if we tied them to ropes and dragged them through dirty streets for all to see...now that would be a horrible thing and a crime against the victim's family.

I agree this is the reality of war...I have no issues with the photographs of dead children.....We see them all the time. Now, if these pictures were of an american soldier's corpse, would people feel differently about the photographer's ethics and the handling of the body? After all, war is death.