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Old 07-24-2006, 07:15 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Bar association president says signing statements erode democracy

Monday, July 24, 2006; Posted: 11:05 a.m. EDT (15:05 GMT)

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush's penchant for writing exceptions to laws he has just signed violates the Constitution, an American Bar Association task force says in a report highly critical of the practice.

The ABA group, which includes a one-time FBI director and former federal appeals court judge, said the president has overstepped his authority in attaching challenges to hundreds of new laws.

The attachments, known as bill-signing statements, say Bush reserves a right to revise, interpret or disregard measures on national security and constitutional grounds.

"This report raises serious concerns crucial to the survival of our democracy," said the ABA's president, Michael Greco. "If left unchecked, the president's practice does grave harm to the separation of powers doctrine, and the system of checks and balances that have sustained our democracy for more than two centuries."

Some congressional leaders had questioned the practice. The task force's recommendations, being released Monday in Washington, will be presented to the 410,000-member group next month at its annual meeting in Hawaii.

ABA policymakers will decide whether to denounce the statements and encourage a legal fight over them.

The task force said the statements suggest the president will decline to enforce some laws. Bush has had more than 800 signing statement challenges, compared with about 600 signing statements combined for all other presidents, the group said.

Noel J. Francisco, a former Bush administration attorney who practices law in Washington, said the president is doing nothing unusual or inappropriate.

"Presidents have always issued signing statements," he said. "This administration believes that it should make clear ... when the Congress is getting close to the lines that our Constitution draws."

Francisco said the administration's input is part of the give and take between the branches of government. "I think it's good that the debate is taking place at a public level," he added.

White House Press Secretary Tony Snow said last month that "it's important for the president at least to express reservations about the constitutionality of certain provisions."

The ABA report said President Reagan was the first to use the statements as a strategic weapon, and that it was encouraged by then-administration lawyer Samuel Alito -- now the newest Supreme Court justice.

The task force included former prosecutor Neal Sonnett of Miami; former FBI Director William Sessions; Patricia Wald, former chief judge of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit; former Republican Rep. Mickey Edwards; and former Reagan administration lawyer Bruce Fein; and law school professors and other lawyers.

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press.
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Old 07-24-2006, 07:43 PM   #2 (permalink)
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at least he's gone after another 17 months....

but i fear the damage he's done will be pretty long-lasting. What a fucking tool.
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This is the part that just blows my mind:

Bush has had more than 800 signing statement challenges, compared with about 600 signing statements combined for all other presidents, the group said.

Bush = 800

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George Washington = 600 Total WTF??!!? or if all Presidents signed 800 like Bush = 33,600
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Old 07-24-2006, 08:58 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Yeah, but he's just a simple good ole boy from Midland TX, what harm can he do?
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No, Bush is from Connecticut. n00b!
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Where is his residence/ranch?

I didn't ask where he was born.
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sigh. and so it begins......
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You mean the blaming of the Israelis?
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Well I mean...whatever. It's the false cowboy image that gets him elected amongst the sheeple.
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Arent you supposed to say... "there it is?"
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