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Here in my shit hole...........the politicians have resorted to underground (aka easily passed) bills to fuck with people and extort money.
A sweet one they are trying right now is to give SID "authority" to fine anyone and the club that serves someone over the limit.
Now we all know that its already a law but the wording is a bit vague.
Basicaly, if you appear to be intoxicated beyond capacity, you cannot be served.
With what our politicians are up to..........If me and say Bush go get some beers at the local watering hole and then decide to leave and go to say.....Hooters and we order drinks. The SID can come up and ask us to blow. If we blow over the legal limit, the club gets fined and a citation. If there are more than two citations in one year, you lose your liquor license.
A) who in the fuck thinks they can come up to me and tell me to blow when Im at a bar?
B) when did it become common place to not be responsible for one's own actions?
This is all going under the premise of killing our staggering DUI rate. The funny thing is that we have little to no public transportation and if you wanted a cab, be ready to wait two hours in which you should be semi sober.
Opinions kids?
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You think club owners have it bad you should talk to owners of gun shops, you wouldn't believe the shit they have to go through to stay in business. You would think that there is a concerted effort to close down all the firearm shops in the country and there probably is.
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^^^ I hear they are pretty tough down there with that.
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A) who in the fuck thinks they can come up to me and tell me to blow when Im at a bar?
B) when did it become common place to not be responsible for one's own actions?
This is all going under the premise of killing our staggering DUI rate. The funny thing is that we have little to no public transportation and if you wanted a cab, be ready to wait two hours in which you should be semi sober.
Opinions kids?
Ok, Ill bite. Who the fuck are you (not necessarily YOU, but you know what I mean) to say you have the right to go get lit, and potentially drive home drunk? If it was my bar, and you were fucked, Id damn right stop serving you, Id be happy to make you blow, or get out of my bar. And if I see you driving, Im calling 911 on your ass cause I got your plates, BEOTCH. I dont want you driving drunk. And my business would most likely suck.
Is a DUI checkpoint any more of an infringement on your rights? That is laughable.
And it SHOULD be tought to get a gun. Get one if you want, but it shouldnt be as easy as walking into a say...Walmart, and just buying one off the rack... Oh wait....
The point is, if you want to get hammered with your bros and girls, then by all means, get lit. Its just like taking acid, as some of us did in the "old days". Find a house where everyone can hang, everyone knows where they are staying for the night, and thats it. Nobody leaves till breakfast.
That is the EXACT reason I built a bar in my house. And it is GOOD.
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Ok, Ill bite. Who the fuck are you (not necessarily YOU, but you know what I mean) to say you have the right to go get lit, and potentially drive home drunk? If it was my bar, and you were fucked, Id damn right stop serving you, Id be happy to make you blow, or get out of my bar. And if I see you driving, Im calling 911 on your ass cause I got your plates, BEOTCH. I dont want you driving drunk. And my business would most likely suck.
Is a DUI checkpoint any more of an infringement on your rights? That is laughable.
And it SHOULD be tought to get a gun. Get one if you want, but it shouldnt be as easy as walking into a say...Walmart, and just buying one off the rack... Oh wait....
The point is, if you want to get hammered with your bros and girls, then by all means, get lit. Its just like taking acid, as some of us did in the "old days". Find a house where everyone can hang, everyone knows where they are staying for the night, and thats it. Nobody leaves till breakfast.
That is the EXACT reason I built a bar in my house. And it is GOOD.
1) A dui checkpoint is not the same. Haven't you ever gone out with your friends knowing all but one of you ( the DD) was getting drunk? This law eliminates that option. You simply can't legally get drunk. Besides that, I know that here in VA you are legally drunk simply by being buzzed, many bartenders would have a hard time telling wether or not someone is buzzed or just happy, and in my case you can't tell at all till I'm highly enibriated.
2) As far as it being tough to get a gun, I understand that in NC everything gun related is more difficult than it is here. A simple Federal backround check should be all that is required. Hell, it's a constittional right, not a priveledge.
3) Come on admit it, you built a bar in your house cause it's too damn expensive to go out in California.
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Ok, Ill bite. Who the fuck are you (not necessarily YOU, but you know what I mean) to say you have the right to go get lit, and potentially drive home drunk?
An American citizen? There is no law preventing somebody from potentially doing anything. If somebody gets pulled over and is charged with a DUI, then good, that's what they deserve. However, simply leaving a bar after drinking and being over the legal limit is NOT illegal and no crime has been committed.
There was a story in GA not too long ago whe the police were called to a noisey house party and ended up arresting one of the residents for drunk and disorderly. Imagine getting arrested IN YOUR OWN HOME for being drunk!
Ok, Ill bite. Who the fuck are you (not necessarily YOU, but you know what I mean) to say you have the right to go get lit, and potentially drive home drunk? If it was my bar, and you were fucked, Id damn right stop serving you, Id be happy to make you blow, or get out of my bar. And if I see you driving, Im calling 911 on your ass cause I got your plates, BEOTCH. I dont want you driving drunk. And my business would most likely suck.
I am a free American citizen. My founding forefathers allowed me to do whatever the fuck I pleased as long as I did not infringe on anyone else's inalienable rights.
According to the way our great country was founded, I can get piss ass drunk, call someone a punk, go shoot up some heroin, and come back into Hooters and eat some wings while staring at the waitresses' boobs.
It's these fucking politicians who think that THEY should be telling me how to live my life.
Who are YOU to say that the "legal limit" is all that someone can handle without being intoxicated to the point of not being able to drive? The "legal limit" of many things has no bearing on a person's size, tolerance to the substance, or many other factors beyond your knowledge of the individual's personal chemistry.
It's just like speed limits on the freeways - it's a method of "average" people, which punishes those of us that are completely capable of operating our vehicles at higher rates of speed with the same statistical rate of safety.
But that's all probably too complicated for someone like you to understand. It's called Liberty, and you are a threat to it.
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Is a DUI checkpoint any more of an infringement on your rights? That is laughable.
Actually, yes it is. You commit the crime, you pay.
You actually like it that you haven't done anything yet, but you go to jail?
You ever seen Minority Report?
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And it SHOULD be tought to get a gun. Get one if you want, but it shouldnt be as easy as walking into a say...Walmart, and just buying one off the rack... Oh wait....
Why? Because I can kill people with a gun?
I could kill people with a knife, or a dog, or a car, or a bat, or my friggin bare hands.
We should make it difficult for babies to be born with hands.
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The point is, if you want to get hammered with your bros and girls, then by all means, get lit. Its just like taking acid, as some of us did in the "old days". Find a house where everyone can hang, everyone knows where they are staying for the night, and thats it. Nobody leaves till breakfast.
That is the EXACT reason I built a bar in my house. And it is GOOD.
And then you take on personal liability by people who think along the same lines as you.
You realize that one of your bros comes over, gets piss ass drunk, and then sneaks out and drives off and kills someone on the street, it's your liability, right?
Simply stated, in NC bars it IS illegal to serve someone who already appears to be intoxicated.
Is it done... sure. But what takes place is an enabling for somene to go out, get smashed and get behind the wheel of their car. The less likey someone is to be drunk in public (which IS a crime), the less likey they will need to drive. I'm on the fence with the whole "blow in the bar". If it prevents drunk drivers, then cool. But if it make bartenders scared of serving customer, that's bullshit.
In the case of the guy arrested in his home, I would bet that had some other circumstances. IE called in for noise, and the guy was an asshat to the cops. Yeah good luck there.
Constitutionally, yes its bullshit. But! The constitution doesn't say you are free. it only protects rights you are given. We aren't free kids. The politicains want to get more votes, and keeping drunks out of the public eye helps to bring in the soccor mom vote. Unless you're starting a revolution, stop whining and quite drinking so damn much
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However, simply leaving a bar after drinking and being over the legal limit is NOT illegal and no crime has been committed.
It is if you are driving. Even if your not going to drive, you might want to consider DIP, although my understanding is you have to be really sauced, and an issue or liability to someone (like fighting) for then to charge you. Im sure Officer or any of the other law enforcement guys could give you the legalities.
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