Bush says "Shit" on microphone

[timd99]

Originally Posted by Fargin_Bastige

That has quite a bit to do with the horrible war planning, doesn't it? The plan needs an overhaul and some intelligent thought applied to it.

John Kerry-
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction… So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real …”
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan.23.2003

Yet in 04-05, Kerry stated he did not think that the issues with Saddam were a reason to go to war. Ill provide you the link if you want it. FLIP FLOP.

He was duped you say? Then he is a tool as much as any of the other liberal quotes I could post. Again, think about it.

But we digress - the post is about the word SHIT. And what a joke it is to dominate the media becaused..God forbid...it was uttered by the President of the United States. Well, everyones President but Jims.

[Fargin_Bastige]

Originally Posted by timd99

John Kerry-
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction… So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real …”
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan.23.2003

He was duped you say? Then he is a tool as much as any of the other liberal quotes I could post. Again, think about it.

Ok, this proves that the war planning was horrible how?

Do you want me to bring up all of the bullshit reasons for the war, instead of the real one? Bush f'ed up badly with this war. He and his chickenhawks are morons. His own father said that going into Baghdad was dumb. He was the smarter one, obviously.

Everyone was duped and now we are stuck with a hastily planned war that is a gigantic drain on the economy, a burden on our soldiers and destroying any credibility we had in the world. In short, a bad decision, sold under false pretense.

[timd99]

I agree with your post 100%. Just dont sit here and tell me how Kerry would have been any better, because that is Bullshit. NOBODY knows how our world would be right now with Kerry in office. But Cut and Run comes to mind. Not that that is the wrong option, on hindsight. Do you know if 20 years from now, that would be the right choice? Your opinion is life would be better with Kerry in office. But how the hell do you know that?

Again, the point of this thread is the use of the word SHIT.

[Fargin_Bastige]

Originally Posted by timd99

I agree with your post 100%. Just dont sit here and tell me how Kerry would have been any better, because that is Bullshit. NOBODY knows how our world would be right now with Kerry in office. But Cut and Run comes to mind. Not that that is the wrong option, on hindsight. Do you know if 20 years from now, that would be the right choice? Your opinion is life would be better with Kerry in office. But how the hell do you know that?

Again, the point of this thread is the use of the word SHIT.

How do you know for certain it would have been worse? Do you honestly think Kerry would have just pulled the troops out? That would be suicide. I hate this war and even I know pulling troops out would be suicide.

Destabilizing that region, as we did, was a bad idea, hatched in the Project for a New American Century, years before Shrub took office. It was all planned out, except for the fighting the war part.

Answer is, none of us know and it's only opinion. I just see mistake after mistake being made with this war and find it hard to believe anyone could do worse.

[kenshi]

Originally Posted by timd99

Your not the only one who feels that way, without a doubt, but then, I dont see it changing any time soon either.

I think it actually might. I think the votes for minor parties, especially the libertarian party, are going to rise considerably on the next election. It still won't be enough to come close to winning, but they'll get a bit more spotlight and maybe some day... Then again, maybe that's just wishful thinking.

[timd99]

Originally Posted by Fargin_Bastige

How do you know for certain it would have been worse? Do you honestly think Kerry would have just pulled the troops out? That would be suicide. I hate this war and even I know pulling troops out would be suicide.

Destabilizing that region, as we did, was a bad idea, hatched in the Project for a New American Century, years before Shrub took office. It was all planned out, except for the fighting the war part.

Answer is, none of us know and it's only opinion. I just see mistake after mistake being made with this war and find it hard to believe anyone could do worse.

I dont know. Ill never know. Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda.

But see my original post, and the stupidity of the media dominating the news about "ohh, the president said SHIT". What a fucking joke. How the media covered for JFK, and now that same media seeks to put the President (no matter who he is, was, should have been) in a bad light. That should be the only point we discuss.

[Fargin_Bastige]

Originally Posted by timd99

I dont know. Ill never know. Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda.

But see my original post, and the stupidity of the media dominating the news about "ohh, the president said SHIT". What a fucking joke. How the media covered for JFK, and now that same media seeks to put the President (no matter who he is, was, should have been) in a bad light. That should be the only point we discuss.

I don't like him and even I think it's funny that it warrants such scrutiny. That's why I started it.

I think we've got more important "shit" to worry about now.

[timd99]

Originally Posted by kenshi

I think it actually might. I think the votes for minor parties, especially the libertarian party, are going to rise considerably on the next election. It still won't be enough to come close to winning, but they'll get a bit more spotlight and maybe some day... Then again, maybe that's just wishful thinking.

Are you going to vote for the libertarian candidate? Most feel it is a waste of a vote, and no one wants their vote to be wasted. We will see.

[bush]

Wow. So this is the news everybody was talking about today.

Isn't there some war brewing between Israel and Lebanon? I vaguely remember something along the lines of MISSLES AND BOMBING, but I can't be sure...

Fucking people.

[scatterbrained]

Originally Posted by timd99

Are you going to vote for the libertarian candidate? Most feel it is a waste of a vote, and no one wants their vote to be wasted. We will see.

I don't consider it a waste, voting libertarian (or Green if the Democrats aren't left leaning enough for you) A) Sends a message of lost votes to the parties, forcing them to recalculate.
B) Starting small it allows a third party to show what it can do in a limited environment. That in turn creates a reliable record they can expound in future elections. We were within just a few votes of installing a Libertarian into the mayoral office of the most populus city in VA (va bch) Next time...........

[TTsixxer]

Originally Posted by Fargin_Bastige

That has quite a bit to do with the horrible war planning, doesn't it? The plan needs an overhaul and some intelligent thought applied to it.

And all this is Bush's fault? The biggest surprise with this war was the fact that iraq have an ever growing insurgency group. Maybe you can blame it to bad intelligence. It would've been the same with Kerry, exept maybe Kerry would've made an attemp to make some sort of phony treaty and pull our troops back and leave iraq like a total mess.

[Fargin_Bastige]

Originally Posted by TTsixxer

And all this is Bush's fault? The biggest surprise with this war was the fact that iraq have an ever growing insurgency group. Maybe you can blame it to bad intelligence. It would've been the same with Kerry, exept maybe Kerry would've made an attemp to make some sort of phony treaty and pull our troops back and leave iraq like a total mess.

The CIC is ultimately responsible.

[bush]

Originally Posted by TTsixxer

It would've been the same with Kerry, exept maybe Kerry would've made an attemp to make some sort of phony treaty and pull our troops back and leave iraq like a total mess.

Yes, because Iraq is all sunshine and cinnamon buns right now. Bush turned it into paradise!

Iraq is a total mess. I can't really think of anything that could be much worse off if Kerry were in office.