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Old 06-30-2006, 02:07 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Supreme Court slaps down Bush's Military Tribunals

I was extremely surprised that the Supreme Court is standing on the side of the Constitution, Democracy and Freedom. Also mentioned the Geneva Convention, something that will eventually bring us back into the International community.

I looked on foxnews for the story so no one complained about the source but of course they ignored the story.


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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In a sharp rebuke of President George W. Bush's tactics in the war on terrorism, the U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday struck down as unlawful the military tribunal system set up to try Guantanamo prisoners.


By a 5-3 vote, the nation's highest court declared that the tribunals, which Bush created right after the September 11 attacks, violated the Geneva Conventions and U.S. military rules.

"We conclude that the military commission convened to try (Salim Ahmed) Hamdan lacks power to proceed because its structure and procedures violate" the international agreement that covers treatment of prisoners of war, as well as the Uniform Code of Military Justice, Justice John Paul Stevens wrote for the court majority.

The decision was a stinging blow for the administration in a case brought by Hamdan, who was Osama bin Laden's driver in Afghanistan. Hamdan, one of about 450 foreign terrorism suspects at the U.S. naval base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, was captured in November 2001.

At the White House, Bush said he had not fully reviewed the ruling and would consult with the U.S. Congress to attain appropriate authority for military tribunals. "We take the findings seriously," he said.

A Pentagon spokesman declined immediate to comment but reiterated the need for a U.S. facility to hold dangerous captives.

The ruling, handed down on the last day of the court's 2005-06 term, followed the deaths of three Guantanamo prisoners this month and increased calls for Bush to close the prison camp. U.S. treatment of inmates at Guantanamo and in Iraq and Afghanistan has drawn international criticism.

One of Hamdan's lawyers, Lt. Cmdr. Charles Swift, praised the high court action. "All we wanted was a fair trial," he said outside the Supreme Court. "Yes, it is a rebuke for the process. ... It means we can't be scared out of who we are."

Anthony Romero of the American Civil Liberties Union said, "The Supreme Court has made clear that the executive branch does not have a blank check in the war on terror and may not run roughshod over the nation's legal system."

Stevens, at 86 the high court's longest serving justice and a leading liberal, said the military commissions were not expressly authorized by any act of the U.S. Congress. But in reading part of the decision from the bench, he said Bush was free to go to lawmakers to ask for the necessary authority.

Stevens also wrote the Supreme Court decision two years ago that handed the Bush administration another major setback in ruling the Guantanamo prisoners can sue in U.S. courts.

RULES ARE ILLEGAL

Stevens said in his 73-page opinion, "The rules specified for Hamdan's trial are illegal." He said the system has to incorporate even "the barest of those trial protections that have been recognized by customary international law."

He said the tribunals failed to provide one of the most fundamental protection under U.S. military rules, the right for a defendant to be present at a proceeding.

The case produced a total of six opinions totaling 177 pages.

Stevens was joined by the other liberal justices David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer, and moderate-conservative Anthony Kennedy.

The conservatives -- Justices Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito, who was appointed by Bush -- dissented.

The ninth member of the court, Chief Justice John Roberts, who also was appointed by Bush, removed himself because he previously was on the U.S. appeals court panel that ruled for the Bush administration in Hamdan's case.

The dissenters agreed with the administration's argument that the case must be dismissed because a recent law stripped the high court of its jurisdiction over Hamdan's appeal.

Thomas also said the court needed to respect Bush's power as commander in chief while Alito said he disagreed with the majority that Hamdan's tribunal was illegal.
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Oh well. It isn't over.
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What are you refering to as not being over?

The Supreme Court reigning in a Renegade President

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Bush attempting to circumvent American Law?
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What are you refering to as not being over?

The Supreme Court reigning in a Renegade President

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Bush attempting to circumvent American Law?

The president is not circumventing the law. He never overstepped his authority on this matter, and I wish all you retards would realize he is just trying to keep your pathetic a$$es safe.

He will now go to congress and take care of this little inconvenience.
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He will now go to congress and take care of this little inconvenience.
You really haven't followed this story at all have you. The problem here is that Bush (in a veritable manure pit of hubris) truly believes that he is the one American who is above the law. The Supreme Court merely correct this error in judgement.

Frankly, I don't want to be protected from people who simply may or may not be wanting to harm me. This sort of "protection" makes more terrorists than it catches. We're keeping these people without charges because we have no evidence. How does that help us?

I'd much rather he'd kept Al Qaeda the small organization it was and caught or killed Bin Laden. The Global War on Terrorism is an idiotic, ill-conceived, and counter-productive strategy.

What's pathetic is being uninformed about something so important.
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He will now go to congress and take care of this little inconvenience.

So you are saying the Justices of the Supreme Court are Retards?
Because by all accounts, they are appointed as opposed to our Congressional Representatives, which are voted into Office. Therefore, us retards have no sway in their voting.
I feel so much safer knowing George Bush is protecting us. Now if he could only capture Osama.

And when you mutter the word inconvenience, could you please use a campy German Accent and draw the word out in a sinister manner.
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I think it's interesting that the justices voted on their assumed political affiliations. Anybody else catch this?
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If that's what you believe maybe you ought to fly this:

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He will now go to congress and take care of this little inconvenience.
you're free to wish what you want. just as i'm free to wish that retards like you realize that just because a republican is in office doesn't mean that everything is going great and you have to take at face value everything he says.

the 3 branches of gov't check on each other, and thats what this was, deal with it you anti-american bastard
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you're free to wish what you want. just as i'm free to wish that retards like you realize that just because a republican is in office doesn't mean that everything is going great and you have to take at face value everything he says.

the 3 branches of gov't check on each other, and thats what this was, deal with it you anti-american bastard
No matter how you believe, on this subject how does this ruling change anything, who picks the Lawers, are these justices who voted for this going to oversee every single case and make sure that due process was served. Now imagine this im in Gittmo, and ive been held a long time, and my prospects are grim for being freed anytime soon unless i give information weather real or contrived. But one fine day an interpator informs me that im to have my fine day in court. But first ill have to wait in line to see an attourney, which couild take years, and the kicker is my attourney will be picked by my enemy government. Now consider this what if certain prisoners do have key information , now it does little good to talk for until there due process has been sreved up on a silver platter they cant be released.After these attouneys are in place, most anything that the Bush administration wants to do will have the stamp of approval by the supreme court. These trials will be nothing but a circus. and u really have to be a clown if u cant see through this paper tiger ruling. Truth is i imagine that george w is having quiet a laugh himself right now.
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These people are prisoners of war. Tribunals have been used to prosicute war criminals for 200 years, I don't see what has changed.

The Geneva convention has nothing to do with the war on terror. Why should terrorists be protected under an agreement they do not honor? They catch our troops, cut their heads off, drag their bodies in the streets and you think we should afford them the rights under the convention? That is complete bullshit.
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