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in your opinion, which do you feel more threatened by? which do you feel you are more likely to be a target of? which do you feel our law enforcement agencies should focus more on, and why? after discussing this in a recent class, im curious as to your guys opinions.
Wow... I would say you cant focus on either or too much or one will get out of hand... This obviously is a great question and would like to see what other people think about this.
In my honest opinion i feel most threatened by street crime because i go to school in Flint where street crime is like finding garbage at a landfill... the only reason i say that is cause you dont notice the effects of white collar crime as much as you do street crime. lets say its a physical crime where as white collar crime could be portrayed as corruption ro laundering... you may not notice the effects immediately
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You have to watch out for both, but generally no body dies from a white collar crime
Say that to someone that lost the majority of their worth in the ENRON or some other scandal. Im sure there are old people that have been scammed out of the last couple grand they have and are hungry right now by some cocksuckers lack of morality.
Its equal and they should all be punished by means suited to the crime
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Wow... I would say you cant focus on either or too much or one will get out of hand... This obviously is a great question and would like to see what other people think about this.
In my honest opinion i feel most threatened by street crime because i go to school in Flint where street crime is like finding garbage at a landfill... the only reason i say that is cause you dont notice the effects of white collar crime as much as you do street crime. lets say its a physical crime where as white collar crime could be portrayed as corruption ro laundering... you may not notice the effects immediately
I understand your point as I went to college there way back when it was called GMI, however I beg to differ. Despite being shot at once, chased home (after dark) twice, having my old jeep broken into more times than I can count and watching three youths kill themselves while running from a patrol car, I can honestly say that my father is hurting much more now than I ever did. Thanks to the fucks in Enron and the fucks in Aquila following the example set by the fucks in Enron, my father's (est.) 500,000.00 in Aquila stocks are worth less than the paper they're printed on. He retired a year ago from Aquila and immediately went to work for a small start-up in the hope of restoring some of his retirement funds. A 68-year old man should not have to work the rest of his life because of the greed of a few self-centered executives...
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While the white collar crimes are pretty fucked up - I may sound like a bastard saying this - no one is entitled to retire from working just because they're alive. Now, I may sound like a even bigger bastard saying this - but anyone putting their nest egg into one stock is seriously misinformed. With an account balance of $500k in stocks, he probably had a bunch in other forms. He should have spent the $2000 to get a financial planner to divest some of that for him. It's no better than the poorly informed masses that are relying on Social Security, the utter debacle that is.
The cliche: Never put all your eggs in one basket.
I'd rather LIVE knowing that I have to work for the rest of my life, rather than die, or have a serious problem (paralysis, other physical injuries, diseases from the above mentioned). I like life that much.
And I'd rather be hungry than have to eat from a tube... or be eaten by tube worms in my casket.
And I'd certainly rather work seeing the bastards that took my money rot in jail - than get mugged or robbed yet again and never have those guys caught.
if my mom and dad lost everything in the stock market, they can move in with me or my sister. If some crack head killed one of them, they move into a morgue.
How is this even a debate??
in your opinion, which do you feel more threatened by? which do you feel you are more likely to be a target of? which do you feel our law enforcement agencies should focus more on, and why? after discussing this in a recent class, im curious as to your guys opinions.
Threatened by? Street crime. It's more prevalent. White collar crime is not quite as rampant, and with proper planning you can avoid some of the effects. Like previous posts have said, losing money and losing your life are two different things.
Target of? Street crime again. White collar criminals like large-scale scam artists target people, but my portion of the economy is not usually one of them.
LEO focus? Street crime again. I say this because law enforcement officials, in many cases, are not adept at dealing with white collar crime like what happened with Enron. I'm not saying they can't be trained, but it does take a level of experience that most cops don't have. For instance, part of the way Enron overstated profits was by shifting losses into satellite companies, allowing them to take the losses on the books and pumping up Enron's margins...book value only (that is a very generalized explanation). Your average gumshoe doesn't know enough about accounting or tax law to perform the analysis req'd not only to discover the falsification, but to trace and then project it out. The FBI pays good money for accountants and actuaries to do this sort of work, but those people are few and far between. By enacting things like Sarbannes-Oxley, you're shifting some of the responsibility to auditing firms to catch, allowing the FBI & IRS to focus on other issues.
In the short term, I feel more threatened by street crime. The long term moral decay caused by white collar crime threatens society itself. You can not ignore either for long without terrible repercussions for all citizens.
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I'm more concerned about street crime. I lived in "the ghetto" when I lived in California and was regularly jumped and beaten up by gangs because I'm white and in many parts of my town that made me the minority. They thought I was rich because my family had two cars that worked, even though they were both old and one was a Corolla, that's hardly rich in my opinion. I've seen the aftermath of drivebys and shootings at my school. From what I can tell the cops didn't do crap and that's what made living in California hell for me.
if my mom and dad lost everything in the stock market, they can move in with me or my sister. If some crack head killed one of them, they move into a morgue.
How is this even a debate??
it is a debate because the chance of your mom or dad being murdered by that crackhead is .00005% and the chance of your mom being raped is around .0004%. Your parents are more likely to die from an occupational disease than a violent crime. now do you understand why it is a debate? sure violent crime is more intimidating to be a victim of, but the chances of being a victim of a violent crime are very very slim.
it is a debate because the chance of your mom or dad being murdered by that crackhead is .00005% and the chance of your mom being raped is around .0004%. Your parents are more likely to die from an occupational disease than a violent crime. now do you understand why it is a debate? sure violent crime is more intimidating to be a victim of, but the chances of being a victim of a violent crime are very very slim.
That all depends on where you live, see my post above. Where I lived the chance of murder or rape was far, far greater than becoming the victim of white collar crime.
That all depends on where you live, see my post above. Where I lived the chance of murder or rape was far, far greater than becoming the victim of white collar crime.
that is a given, but i am talking about the general population.
White Collar Crime vs. Street Crime
