Idiots of South Dakota unite!

[HighsideSV]

Fucking legislating morality....

I hate to break it to you, but *all* laws are about morality. Why is it illegal to kill someone? Why is it illegal to steal someone's car? Its all about right or wrong, that is the whole point.

[jim schmidt]

Originally Posted by Redmenace

I hate to break it to you, but *all* laws are about morality. Why is it illegal to kill someone? Why is it illegal to steal someone's car? Its all about right or wrong, that is the whole point.

This is one view. The other is that laws are about creating rules for society that prevent harm to citizens. This is the key reason anti-abortion folks want to give citizen status to embryos. Morality is the purview of philosophy, religion and conscience. A helmet law, for example has nothing to do with morality.

[Fargin_Bastige]

Sorry, a woman has the right to choose what to do with her own body.

The thing that kills me is that the pro life crowd is NOT the same as the adoption crowd. Once they're out of the womb, I guess the interest ends.

[jiandersen76]

This law passed the state senate 23-12 and the governor openly declares his support for it. Quick facts regarding the state show 1 planned parenthood facility in the entire state performing roughly 800 abortions yearly in an estimated population of 770,000 (note that this does not take into account abortions performed by private physicians).

With these facts it appears that the majority of constituents in South Dakota support this law. At least the ones that voted.

[eye speed]

Originally Posted by jiandersen76

This law passed the state senate 23-12 and the governor openly declares his support for it. Quick facts regarding the state show 1 planned parenthood facility in the entire state performing roughly 800 abortions yearly in an estimated population of 770,000 (note that this does not take into account abortions performed by private physicians).

With these facts it appears that the majority of constituents in South Dakota support this law. At least the ones that voted.

well, A) dipshit, no physicians besides planned parenthood perform abortions in S. dakota, B) 800 out of 770,000 = .009% of the population. And C) Like it matters who voted. The elected don't care what the population thinks. Wake up, or shut up.

[Fargin_Bastige]

Originally Posted by jiandersen76

This law passed the state senate 23-12 and the governor openly declares his support for it. Quick facts regarding the state show 1 planned parenthood facility in the entire state performing roughly 800 abortions yearly in an estimated population of 770,000 (note that this does not take into account abortions performed by private physicians).

With these facts it appears that the majority of constituents in South Dakota support this law. At least the ones that voted.

So what do you do with the babies once they're born?

[jiandersen76]

My point is that the law passed in S. Dakota because of whom was in office. Usually government officials get into office because the majority of voters want them their. Those living in S. Dakota have themselves to blame for they either voted these officials into office or worse yet did not take an active role in their state's government at all by not voting. Anyone that votes in a conservative government that touts pro life and doesn't think this can happen should wake up.

And I have not weighed in on my personal beliefs on this subject so I will be disregarding the question posed by fargin.

[Travis71902]

Originally Posted by eye speed

No exceptions, either. Beat up and raped? Nope. Molested by uncle larry or daddy at 13? Nope, no abortion.

Of course these kinda of abortions account for what, maybe 10% of all the abortions done. The rest are just some slut's form of birth control. No I have no evidence to back this claim nor do I intend to try and dig some up. Abortion is fucked up period, though bringing a child conceived thru rape, molestation, incest, etc into the world IS worse.

Very unfortunate...

[Travis71902]

Originally Posted by Fargin_Bastige

Sorry, a woman has the right to choose what to do with her own body.

The thing that kills me is that the pro life crowd is NOT the same as the adoption crowd. Once they're out of the womb, I guess the interest ends.

Thats kinda unfair, unfortunately its true. You shouldn't have to adopt someone elses child to be entitled to a pro-choice view though. Some of us are capable of being responsible enough to not have children before we are financially and emotionally ready. Does that mean that every person that has the good sense to wait and get an eduacation as well as a career before having kids should be obligated to adopt?

[hanglowejohnson]

Originally Posted by Travis71902

Thats kinda unfair, unfortunately its true. You shouldn't have to adopt someone elses child to be entitled to a pro-choice view though. Some of us are capable of being responsible enough to not have children before we are financially and emotionally ready. Does that mean that every person that has the good sense to wait and get an eduacation as well as a career before having kids should be obligated to adopt?

you missed the point entirely.

The PRO LIFE group is not the same that is out there adopting these kids that have been brought into the world based on the worst of circumstances.

To me, I would rather have some poor, uneducated, drug addict that keeps getting pregnant, be able to get an abortion each time, rather than bring a kid into the world that *I* as a responsible citizen will have to take care of. I could care less if they look at it as a form of birth control. The fact is those types of people that DO look at it that way, will very likely NEVER be able to intelligently use birth control or have the common sense to even consider it.

I would rather they at least be able to get rid of the little fuckers before they poison the world. Why bring a child into the world that already has a 60, 70, 90% chance of becoming EXACTLY the same problem themselves. THAT seems a HELL of a lot more cruel than terminating the fetus/embyro at 4 weeks or whatever.

[Fargin_Bastige]

Originally Posted by Travis71902

Thats kinda unfair, unfortunately its true. You shouldn't have to adopt someone elses child to be entitled to a pro-choice view though. Some of us are capable of being responsible enough to not have children before we are financially and emotionally ready. Does that mean that every person that has the good sense to wait and get an eduacation as well as a career before having kids should be obligated to adopt?

Well, if you're going to legislate breeding on people, you have to allow for the consequences.

We will now have an orphan society being put through a shitty foster care system. Which keeps getting cut out of proposed budgets. Like it or not, abstinence is NOT reality. I don't have kids either, and, contrary to popular belief, I HAVE had sex with women. I also realize that is NOT a common practice.

We also continue to give incentives to breed. Tax breaks, more public aid, so we're shooting ourselves that way too.

We have to deal in reality and not religion. People will have sex, so we have to take care of the kids.

Hey, why not let everyone who voted for this in SD have a free kid? They can obviously handle it.

[hanglowejohnson]

Originally Posted by Fargin_Bastige

Hey, why not let everyone who voted for this in SD have a free kid? They can obviously handle it.

Good idea.

If you are pro-life you are required to adopt one child.

See how long that lasts

[lemosley01]

Originally Posted by hybrid

You tell me whats more cruel...........

Ending a "life" before it happens or raising a child into a shit storm of a "life"?

You apparently know which life is worth living and which isn't? Before that life is even lived, you know how it will turn out? Gee...when these kids turn out to have 'shit storm of a life' we should just put them down. After all, it's cruel, and their lives aren't worth living.

How does it feel to be omniscient?

The abortion debate rages on. It all depends on at what point you define 'life'.

I find it amazing that the educated constantly browbeat everyone about 'seeing the other side'...yet when presented with the other side, ie, one that is contrary to their belief system (and this is what this is about), that other side are 'idiots' and their side is not worth 'understanding'.

Pot, kettle called for you.

[lemosley01]

Originally Posted by hanglowejohnson

Good idea.

If you are pro-life you are required to adopt one child.

See how long that lasts

And if you are pro-choice, you are required to kill one kid.