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Ah, it's a slow, slow day at work and, as such, I thought I'd pose a question for review/comment. It may be better suited to the Open Forum, however I find that the best debates seem to occur in this (Politics and Religion) Forum.
Specifically, and irregardless of your position on the theory of Evolution, if all life really did - and continues to - evolve, and assuming that all life started from a single aomeba (sp?), where did that one little critter come from?
I'm not trying to start an e-war here, it's just that in considering all arguements for/against the Evolution theory, this particular question keeps looming in my head.
Any thoughts?
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Specifically, and irregardless of your position on the theory of Evolution, if all life really did - and continues to - evolve, and assuming that all life started from a single aomeba (sp?), where did that one little critter come from?
Not being an expert in the chemical evolution of proteins, I would be hard-pressed to get into detail. I'm curious though if you ask the same origin question regarding a creator.
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I'm not trying to start an e-war here, it's just that in considering all arguements for/against the Evolution theory, this particular question keeps looming in my head.
Do you have thoughts of your own on the matter? Absent your own contributions this does smell a little like e-war fodder!
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Not being an expert in the chemical evolution of proteins, I would be hard-pressed to get into detail. I'm curious though if you ask the same origin question regarding a creator.
Do you have thoughts of your own on the matter? Absent your own contributions this does smell a little like e-war fodder!
I do not have any thoughts on the matter, unfortunately. My education and profession have trained me to think logically; as such, it only makes sense that there is a definitive beginning and ending for anything/everything, however I'm drawing a blank in defining the beginning of evolution. That first life form had to come from somewhere, you know?
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Being that we are all really just composed of a myriad of chemicals.......could it not be so easy to believe it just happened from an accidental circumstance?
We can use electricity to combine or seperate helium and oxygen and its effect is water or the seperate gasses
Who is to say that the right simple combination of chemicals were in existance and a kicker of a some sort (lightning bolt) started it all?
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Most of the "experts" follow the idea expressed by Hybrid. Most believe the proteins and nucleoids were in close enough proximity that an event such as lightening combined them into the first small strands of DNA, which replicated and mutated from single cell creatures like bacteria into the present mutations here today
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Prevailing may not have been the most accurate term, but recent research around ocean bottom volcanic vents with sulfer-based bacteria and other resulting life forms, out of the way of sunlight and unlikely affected by lightning are very curious.
There's a fairly recent PBS documentary on these studies.
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life begain when George Bush got elected to office - he is the root of all evil and all problems relating to mankind ... or maybe it was something else
The origin of life — a single event that occurred 3.5 billion to four billion years ago — remains biology's most daunting problem. Some progress is being made at reconstructing the process that led to the first living cells. But it consists of hypotheses of varying plausibility, not proof.
Each human cell is a sophisticated chemical factory. Manufacturing processes proceed within a wall, the cell membrane, that has special ports for incoming and outgoing chemicals. DNA, the controller of the process, is, like a computer and its hard disk, locked in an inner sanctum, the nucleus. How could such a complex system have assembled spontaneously from the chemicals available on the primitive earth?
German chemist and patent lawyer Gunter Wachtershauser suggests studies should not start with sophisticated molecules that run today's cells — the DNA that stores information, the RNA that runs operations, the proteins that serve as structural material and controllers of chemical metabolism. All those must have come later. Also, do not think about the cell membrane — ways to get things in and out of it must have come later.
life begain when George Bush got elected to office - he is the root of all evil and all problems relating to mankind ... or maybe it was something else
The origin of life — a single event that occurred 3.5 billion to four billion years ago — remains biology's most daunting problem. Some progress is being made at reconstructing the process that led to the first living cells. But it consists of hypotheses of varying plausibility, not proof.
Each human cell is a sophisticated chemical factory. Manufacturing processes proceed within a wall, the cell membrane, that has special ports for incoming and outgoing chemicals. DNA, the controller of the process, is, like a computer and its hard disk, locked in an inner sanctum, the nucleus. How could such a complex system have assembled spontaneously from the chemicals available on the primitive earth?
German chemist and patent lawyer Gunter Wachtershauser suggests studies should not start with sophisticated molecules that run today's cells — the DNA that stores information, the RNA that runs operations, the proteins that serve as structural material and controllers of chemical metabolism. All those must have come later. Also, do not think about the cell membrane — ways to get things in and out of it must have come later.
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I think you mean hydrogen! Helium and oxygen is sure interesting...but not water!
oh...and I think the prevailing thought is that volcanic activity may be the kicker.
Yeah youre right dave Im waaaay off my game today.......I barely had enough energy to post that no less.
Im more just using a bolt of lightening as an example of energy occuring naturaly to start the reaction off. Volcanic activity is just as plausible but I think Id use volcanic activity as a means for getting the diverse amount of elements grouped together.
Its a guess at best by any of us
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Prevailing may not have been the most accurate term, but recent research around ocean bottom volcanic vents with sulfer-based bacteria and other resulting life forms, out of the way of sunlight and unlikely affected by lightning are very curious.
There's a fairly recent PBS documentary on these studies.
Truth to this point but my honest idea of lightening was the intense amount of heat generated by the voltage.......triggering a chemical reaction. We can see such things in simpler form.
Say polyester resin (fiberglass) and MEKP mixed at 2%.........the reaction of the oxidizer travels thru the resin which is a myriad of chemicals in stable condition until the oxidizer brings more chemical and heat to the mix and creating a new product.
So deep see fizzures like you speak of could foster life simply because of the heat exchange. Molten rock is dispercing a lot of energy.
Its also been theorized that life could exist on a "frozen planet" in this form. From core induced heat that kept life existant while the surface is frozen.
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My issue with creation is that it's timeline is wacked AND it makes no mention of the origin of the creator. Not to mention the amount of inbreeding that would have to occur, which is against it's own teachings.
I'm more with the volcanic ashes in cahoots with gases etc theory. If you've watched cells divide under a microscope I think you would have to admit anything is possible. LOL Interesting question though, next thing you know we will be arguing which came first the egg or the chicken. AND NO I don't have an answer for that either but I'm sure someone can come up with some explanation of why they think one or the other is first.
The Origin of All Things "Evolved"
... or maybe it was something else
