U.S. Military...

compi · 01-26-2006, 04:34 PM

Theres like no way the Military is stretched too thin?

To Gixxerworld and all who disbelive:

Here we have two articles from news.google.com and the third picture is probably a mandatory set in that the Military always does when the President arrives at thier military post. But as you can see damn near 3 in the picture are asleep. Think what you want but the military IS stretched too thin.

Jiggly · 01-26-2006, 05:34 PM

Moving to Politics

bugeyed · 01-26-2006, 06:39 PM

I wonder what could be so political about this that he would move it to the politics forum.

Jiggly · 01-26-2006, 08:22 PM

He is just providing proof that the 'military is stretched too thin' yet another political cliche. Anyways its fits better here than in my section, IMO.

badgixxer · 01-26-2006, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by compi

Theres like no way the Military is stretched too thin?

you seem to have some deep seeded hatered for the military - i'm sorry you didn't have a good experience while helping defend our great nation...but i seriously think you shouls seek counseling to help work through your issues...

you should really try and find other issues to focus on and direct your energies into positive aspects of life rather than searching out and over dramatizing the negatives of the military....

ps - i say this as your friend because i truely care and hope you find pewace within...

Gixxerworld · 01-26-2006, 09:20 PM

^^^+1 Kid, I have told you to quit calling me out. It is pepole like you that causes sites to get bad reps. If you disagree with the military go to the other forum. I'm rarely there (politics) I talk bikes and incentives the ARMY provide for people who like to ride and who are intrerested in joining. So take a chill pill and find someone else to build a rep on, unless you just love to get banned. Keep it up I'm sure u will acomplish your mission of doing that

jim schmidt · 01-26-2006, 09:26 PM

Geez. Give 'em a forum and they start to gang up and delete posts.

Is it possible that he's just confused because he's looking at the huge spending on the "military" vs. its capability. Of course, I don't really know because the post has been censored. But it would seem to me that a little less corporate welfare and a little more soldier-spending might just fix things.

moresoever575 · 01-26-2006, 09:38 PM

I work her in Milwaukee for the US Coast Guard and we receive the Navy Times on a regular basis. One thing to understand is that each branch works together but are also separate entities. The US Navy is offering (latest Navy Times) to let 500 personnel go 6 months before their scheduled separation date. What? If we are stretched thin, why are we letting them go? Ofcourse the decision is up to the individuals command cadre.

Maybe a US Air Force enlistee/officer can answer this. The AF will not take anyone who was prior enlisted at another service. I have 2yrs, 9months in the USCG and have already made E-4 and have just finished my E-PME requirements along with my Storekeeper Second Class pracs so I can take the May Service Wide Exam and hopefully make E-5 in Jan 2007, just before my separation in April 2007. The reason ths AF won't take prior enlisted is because and E-5 from the USCG would most likely enter as an E-4 in the AF. The AF already has E-2's and E-3's that are struggling to make the next pay grade. This would put someone like myself at a higher paygrade than an AF person who has already served 4+ years within the AF and planning a career, not fair to the ones who have already proven their devotion to the AF.

I think most see "thin" as not enough to go over seas. Understand that their are other personnel that need to stay here in the country to provide support for those risking life and limb. We need enough to cover both fronts. Maybe the Army is thin, but the Navy definitly isn't, considering the above.

Thanks to those preserving our freedoms!!!

AirForceTeacher · 01-26-2006, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by moresoever575

Maybe a US Air Force enlistee/officer can answer this. The AF will not take anyone who was prior enlisted at another service. I have 2yrs, 9months in the USCG and have already made E-4 and have just finished my E-PME requirements along with my Storekeeper Second Class pracs so I can take the May Service Wide Exam and hopefully make E-5 in Jan 2007, just before my separation in April 2007. The reason ths AF won't take prior enlisted is because and E-5 from the USCG would most likely enter as an E-4 in the AF. The AF already has E-2's and E-3's that are struggling to make the next pay grade. This would put someone like myself at a higher paygrade than an AF person who has already served 4+ years within the AF and planning a career, not fair to the ones who have already proven their devotion to the AF.

There is no struggle to make E-4 in the Air Force. E-4 is automatic at either 30 or 36mos TIS. Also, when I entered, noone came into the AF higher than E-3 regardless of prior rank. I guess times have changed though, because I know of an E-7 who came into the AF as an E-6.

Best I can figure is that when the AF is trying to cut 40000 personnel then bringing in priors from other branches makes no sense.

Jiggly · 01-26-2006, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jim schmidt

Geez. Give 'em a forum and they start to gang up and delete posts.

Is it possible that he's just confused because he's looking at the huge spending on the "military" vs. its capability. Of course, I don't really know because the post has been censored. But it would seem to me that a little less corporate welfare and a little more soldier-spending might just fix things.

I can assure you I will not censor or delete a post, unless it says this person will arrive home with there unit on this date, which is not good to make public, I may move it to a more appropriate section though

Jiggly · 01-26-2006, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by moresoever575

Maybe a US Air Force enlistee/officer can answer this. The AF will not take anyone who was prior enlisted at another service. I have 2yrs, 9months in the USCG and have already made E-4 and have just finished my E-PME requirements along with my Storekeeper Second Class pracs so I can take the May Service Wide Exam and hopefully make E-5 in Jan 2007, just before my separation in April 2007. The reason ths AF won't take prior enlisted is because and E-5 from the USCG would most likely enter as an E-4 in the AF. The AF already has E-2's and E-3's that are struggling to make the next pay grade. This would put someone like myself at a higher paygrade than an AF person who has already served 4+ years within the AF and planning a career, not fair to the ones who have already proven their devotion to the AF.
Thanks to those preserving our freedoms!!!

You are somewhat correct, I know a number of 11bravos and Cav guys from the Army that are Air Force, switching services though is like transfeering a college, an E-7 in the AF that all the sudden wanted to be a marine would probably enter as a E-4 or 5 because they dont have the skill set that the marines require for a leader, this may be your case, also the Air Force does not recognize other NCO schools, to include the Air Guard sometimes.

AFMEDIC · 01-26-2006, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiggly

You are somewhat correct, I know a number of 11bravos and Cav guys from the Army that are Air Force, switching services though is like transfeering a college, an E-7 in the AF that all the sudden wanted to be a marine would probably enter as a E-4 or 5 because they dont have the skill set that the marines require for a leader, this may be your case, also the Air Force does not recognize other NCO schools, to include the Air Guard sometimes.

If you think having the ability (or not) to be a leader is the reason for making/ losing rank. It's not. It may have some bearing on it but it's not the driving force. The actual training that one attains and puts to use is more important in a lot of instances (along with several other things). Just remember, not everyone gets to be a leader anyway... and that's actually a good thing. You can take an E-7 from branch A and put him in branch B and it's quite possible that an E-5 in branch B will help *mold* that E-7. Why? The different services may carry out similar task in different ways. Also note, not all the services offer the same jobs, so who's gonna teach the E-7 how to do his New job the way the New service wants? Yep that E-5 or who ever there is in the shop that has a clue. Add to that the fact that the overall mission of the services may be different but collectively the end result is to have victory /peace/deterrance or whatever else you want to call it. Hope that was helpful.

AFMEDIC · 01-26-2006, 10:53 PM

FWIW, most of the time when there is a crossover between the services you go back 1 pay grade. As far as enlisted goes I agree with AirForceTeacher, you can enter up to E-3 if there is no prior service involvement. It is also possible to enter the service at a pay grade of O-4 or O-5

AFMEDIC

Rascus · 01-27-2006, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jim schmidt

Geez. Give 'em a forum and they start to gang up and delete posts.

Is it possible that he's just confused because he's looking at the huge spending on the "military" vs. its capability. Of course, I don't really know because the post has been censored. But it would seem to me that a little less corporate welfare and a little more soldier-spending might just fix things.

Nothing from his post has been censored or deleted.

HUTSCBR · 01-27-2006, 03:30 AM

The media is so fuking stupid. Lets report, true or not, that the US military is about to snap. The right thing to do is report that it is strong and able against terrorism. Now they (terrorist) can gain support b/c they are "stronger" than the greatest military in the world. Arguing about it on a forum like this is just retarded b/c I guarantee that no one here has enough information to support it either way.