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Politics & ReligionWell Since every damn forum has one. Might as well leave it out there. This place is loosely moderated and should not be entered if you're weak of heart.
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wait. isn't nitro a drop out or some shit? not the schools fault there. But to his credit he was talking about getting his GED. I think we can see what we are dealing with here if we check my signature....
yeah, im a dumbass
not really, i just got ADD.......bad, and cant afford the prescriptions to help me cope with it.
one more excuse...i honestly was drunk when i wrote that quote in your sig
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yes.....now i really understand what is wrong with this country. seriously, both political parties are either worried about gun rights and military, or abortion and gay marrige, and neither is worried about the ACTUAL problems in this country
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Republicans want to give tax breaks, increase the military, and cut funding for programs like welfare.
Democrats want to increase taxes generally, downsize the military, and increase funding for things like welfare.
Those are very general, but you get the idea. Republicans are very traditional and don't really want to change. Democrats are the more progressive party of the two, but realistically it's just old white guys anyway, so they are not really so different. Here's some more off the top of my head.
Republicans are all about guns, pro-life (anti-abortion), closing borders, and stuff like that.
Democrats want more gun control, are pro-choice, want borders open, yada yada.
This is all very general, but you get the idea. Don't run down and register to vote just yet. You don't do anyone a favor by rushing in and making some random ass uninformed decision. I'm registered independent, and I vote by the issue, not the party. Look at stuff, see where your heart lies, and select whoever you think best represents your interest in that area.
I had something else, but I forgot it. oh well, fuck it.hope that helped a little.
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hahaha, no worries. I just read that and I remember thinking....wtf.....and I stared at it and I was like...wow, that's signature material.
yeah, i seen it in your sig the next day and was like....i cant believe i friggen typed that, what the hell was i thinking.
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yes.....now i really understand what is wrong with this country. seriously, both political parties are either worried about gun rights and military, or abortion and gay marrige, and neither is worried about the ACTUAL problems in this country
But that WAS a gross generalization on both parts and unrepresentative of what I've witnessed in my stint as a middle class working stiff.
I'd call it a summarization. And it is exactly what I've found during my working life.
Perhaps it would be good for you to summarize what the Repubs have done for working stiffs and what the Democrats have done to hurt them. For our purposes, what they say doesn't count, OK?
I'm very willing to alter my views in the presence of other evidence. But you'll have to make a pretty compelling case. I've been following the differences since the Nixon Administration. Up until today, workers have been hurt during Republican administrations and helped during Democratic Administrations.
I'd call it a summarization. And it is exactly what I've found during my working life.
Perhaps it would be good for you to summarize what the Repubs have done for working stiffs and what the Democrats have done to hurt them. For our purposes, what they say doesn't count, OK?
I'm very willing to alter my views in the presence of other evidence. But you'll have to make a pretty compelling case. I've been following the differences since the Nixon Administration. Up until today, workers have been hurt during Republican administrations and helped during Democratic Administrations.
I guess you have forgotten or were asleep during the Carter administration, when inflation and oil prices soared almost as much as interest rates.
Do you not remember 21+ % loan rates at banks and double digit prime rates and unemployment...let's see... Gold was over 800 per ounce? Got those rose colored glasses on again, I see
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I'm very willing to alter my views in the presence of other evidence. But you'll have to make a pretty compelling case.
Shovel, please.
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Libertarians believe that you have the right to live your life as you wish, without the government interfering -- as long as you don’t violate the rights of others. Politically, this means Libertarians favor rolling back the size and cost of government, and eliminating laws that stifle the economy and control people’s personal choices.
Are Libertarians liberal or conservative?
Libertarians are neither. Unlike liberals or conservatives, Libertarians advocate a high degree of both personal and economic liberty. For example, Libertarians agree with conservatives about freedom in economic matters, so we're in favor of lowering taxes, slashing bureaucratic regulation of business, and charitable -- rather than government -- welfare. But Libertarians also agree with liberals on personal tolerance, so we're in favor of people’s right to choose their own personal habits and lifestyles.
In a sense, Libertarians “borrow” from both sides to come up with a logical and consistent whole -- but without the exceptions and broken promises of Republican and Democratic politicians. That's why we call ourselves the Party of Principle.
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and you can learn more by reading LIBERTY which is available at any bookstore with a good section of periodicals.
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Also... check out "What it Means to be a Libertarian" A little bit dated now but the points it makes still apply.
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Democrats want more gun control, are pro-choice, want borders open, yada yada.
What good could possibly come from opening the borders? Some of the other stances the democrats have I can understand why they feel the way they do but I just disagree. But this issue I just don't get.
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Big business wont ever let the politicians close the borders..........its too much help to have the illegals here keeping wages down.
Want the borders closed? Force companies to pay and tax illegals like the rest of the country. They will surely trickle down to a slow rate of border hopping.
No incentive to hire illegals...........no illegals.
For any of you sissies that go with the "A day without a mexican" bullshit, if you could hire an illegal for 3-4 bucks an hour, whats the motivation to pay a fair wage for the work that "supposedly" the americans (white and blacks) that dont want them. I wouldnt do shit work for nothing either.
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I'd call it a summarization. And it is exactly what I've found during my working life.
Perhaps it would be good for you to summarize what the Repubs have done for working stiffs and what the Democrats have done to hurt them. For our purposes, what they say doesn't count, OK?
I'm very willing to alter my views in the presence of other evidence. But you'll have to make a pretty compelling case. I've been following the differences since the Nixon Administration. Up until today, workers have been hurt during Republican administrations and helped during Democratic Administrations.
From previous posts I would guess that nothing is going to change your mind, so why get into the argument right now? So as to not completely hijack Nitro's innocent thread, I'm sure there will be plenty of time in new threads to discuss the gov't taking money for entitlements and programs and use of the military and immigration and unions and all that great stuff. See ya there.
nitrotc, sorry I can't give you a straight to your answer your question. It seams like no one here can. I do vote, I'm neither a Republican or a Democrat. You should take the time to learn more about our government, and find out were you stand. From my stand point (I'm a Vet, small business owner, middle class, father to be, and living were the average home cost more the a million dollars) the Republican and the Democrat politicians are about the same. As far as voting, if you are not informed don't vote. It is your right to vote or not to. But if you don't educate your self on the issues and vote the you only have your self to blame for the out come. Lastly don't be a sheep and blindly fallow what a party tells you what is right or wrong. When you vote, vote your on conscience.
I guess you have forgotten or were asleep during the Carter administration, when inflation and oil prices soared almost as much as interest rates.
Do you not remember 21+ % loan rates at banks and double digit prime rates and unemployment...let's see... Gold was over 800 per ounce? Got those rose colored glasses on again, I see
All true. Carter didn't create a very good economy. On the plus side, he faced supply chain problems with oil cartels and didn't roll over and say "rub my belly, Sheik Abdul" like Bush did. And he didn't use it as an excuse to transfer wealth from the poor to the rich like Reagan did. He also didn't pretend to give a tax break to the middle class to hide the real tax break he gave to the rich like George W did. He was a principled man, one who actually lived his Christian faith rather than just claimed it.
Next? (Or were the records destroyed when the government faked the attack on the Pentagon? )
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