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There is a use of force protocol that wasn't followed obviously. At the end of the day the officer was just looking for someone to fuck up so he can show off to the rookie-yeah the one that just stood looking.
All this for a misdemeanor...unbelievable and very stupid.
Get out of the car so you can sign this ticket? or so I can whoop your ass-I bet the latter.
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Seriously though, when you are in authority and you tell someone to do something and they don't, that's a clue that they are defying your authority. He told him to step out of the car several times, and instead of stepping out of the car the guy just argued
If you allow someone to go on defying your authority it only gets worse. He told him quite clearly he had to step out of the car or he was going to get pulled out of the car. He maybe was a little quick in pulling him out; a guess his adrenaline was distorting his timing. Maybe he should have timed himself a little better and said something like "If you don't step out of the car in three seconds...", but pulling him out was the only way that guy was going to get out of the vehicle. I hope he gets backing from his superiors. Otherwise the dumb-ass in the car is going to learn he can just go on ignoring cops instructions.
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lol sure yeah guess so. but by ur standards if he couldn't see his hands for 1 sec
he'd be justified in shooting him cause he felt 'threatened'.
well in a free country (even canada) your allowed to ask 'WHY, What for?'
in either country just doing what the officer asks immediately or just shrugging ur shoulders (ok) Waves alot of ur rights to privacy and Bullshit Searches.
some cops will intimidate a motorist hard into 'letting' them search/ go fishing
but one should at least know especially while its being recorded (no cams in canadian cop cars) if they;re being Asked or Ordered
but none of that really applied to mr ;I take steriods, gonna find some1 to beat today cause i can't get it up with the wife. she says its ok but i know that #$@# #$%# is laughing at me & cheating on me'
sorry i don't know the guy just going off stereotypes of other (now ex) cops & their media stories
ps. imo theres alot of pro authority code words in what u type.
i dont know why the beating was necessary... the cop had backup, and it's the cops job to keep citizens safe. abusive cops are domestic terrorists in my book
I believe the guy has a right to defend himself at a certain point, so if that is where the cop is going to claim the assault took place he still has to explain why he assaulted the guy right off the bat. I doubt a Jury will side with the cop in this case.
Cop claims, the guy assaulted him right away. Cop story does not match what is shown. One reason the news channel did not side with the cop. The program I saw.
I agree; don't get me wrong, I am not saying the cop was justified. He should have never did what he did, ...BUT, when the cops tell you to get out of your car, You should not sit there and argue about it. That is one arguement you will not win, and being non-compliant about it is not gonna make the cop change his mind and let you stay in the car.
If that guy would have just watched Chris Rock's "How not to get your ass beat by the Police", This would not be an issue.
I agree; don't get me wrong, I am not saying the cop was justified. He should have never did what he did, ...BUT, when the cops tell you to get out of your car, You should not sit there and argue about it. That is one arguement you will not win, and being non-compliant about it is not gonna make the cop change his mind and let you stay in the car.
If that guy would have just watched Chris Rock's "How not to get your ass beat by the Police", This would not be an issue.
I didn't see any reason in the video for needing to get out of the car. Especially since there isn't a proper area to pull over in case of emergency. Especially considering the cop threw the guy on the side of the road that wasn't blocked by a patrol car. He's lucky they both weren't killed by an oncoming vehicle. The guy in the car was an idiot too, when you get pulled over, don't have your music up on full blast. All the cop had to do was write the ticket, and go on about his way. No need to show off how big your dick is.
This is an obvious use of excessive force. All of you saying "he told him to get out of the car 4 times he deserved it" are not understanding the basis of the situation. An officer is not authorized to use excessive force in any situation. Only the amount of force needed.
As it was stated earlier the officer was throwing boxing combos at the damm guy!! His partner was just standing there probably realizing all this force is not needed, but didn't want to interfer with his partner. The amazing thing is the only reason the officer was so confident was that his partner was there in the first place. If you look at the guy he was attacking he was huge compared to the officer. Just a power trip for the cop. nothing more.
This cop should not only get fired, he should get a criminal charge. The suspect should get a fine for not listening to a peace officers orders, and a ticket for the tint nothing more.
Im not sure if all are this way, but i know most videos dont start until the over-head lights are activated, so he may have had his lights on while trying to catch up to the car.
The officer told him he was being recorded both by audio and visually, and the guy was still a jerk. Im not sure about the laws wherever that video was, but in some places it is illegal to drive with no insurance, which could be why he was asked NUMERUOS times to get out of the car, he was going to jail and he knew it.
That being said, the officer should have used takedown or transport methods to gain control. Boxing combos are not part of the training you get in the academy.
I didn't see any reason in the video for needing to get out of the car. Especially since there isn't a proper area to pull over in case of emergency. Especially considering the cop threw the guy on the side of the road that wasn't blocked by a patrol car. He's lucky they both weren't killed by an oncoming vehicle. The guy in the car was an idiot too, when you get pulled over, don't have your music up on full blast. All the cop had to do was write the ticket, and go on about his way. No need to show off how big your dick is.
AGAIN, I am not saying the cop was justified(even in telling him to get out of his car), but when he tells you to get out of your car, you should get out. If you are ever asked to "step out of your vehicle", tell the cop that you " do not see any reason for needing to get out of your car" and see how far it gets you.
There were two idiots in this case. The driver was a moron for refusing to exit the vehicle (what did he think would happen?) but the cop was a bigger moron and a complete tool.
As a note: If the officer tells you to exit the vehicle, then you are required to exit the vehicle. This has been supported by the courts and the only time it wouldn't apply is if there is a statute specifically stating that you don't have to exit (I'm not aware of any.)
Wilson v. Florida, for example, upheld the idea that the officer can order you to exit your vehicle (for the officer's safety, as it denies access to weapons which could be concealed in the car.) Of course, that same case also said that passengers could not be forced to stay in the vehicle unless the officer has reasonable suspicion that the specific passengers were engaged, or about to be engaged, in criminal activity. The issue of passengers was later addressed and changed by the Supreme Court in Brendlin v. California, where it was decided that all occupants, not just the driver, are "seized" during a traffic stop.
The Supreme Court, in Maryland v. Wilson, specifically stated that those inside a lawfully stopped vehicle must exit if ordered to do so by the officer.
Edit: My bad, Maryland v. Wilson applies specifically to passengers. It was Pennsylvania v. Mimms which requires the driver to exit when ordered during a legal traffic stop.
AGAIN, I am not saying the cop was justified(even in telling him to get out of his car), but when he tells you to get out of your car, you should get out. If you are ever asked to "step out of your vehicle", tell the cop that you " do not see any reason for needing to get out of your car" and see how far it gets you.
As I said before, I think they're both in the wrong and that the officer is moreso, but when you're ordered to get out of the car and you don't, then that's refusal. You don't have to specifically say "I refuse" in order to refuse something. You should watch the video again yourself. The officer asked him several times (and was calm the first couple) and the driver said "you gotta' give me a reason" multiple times in reply.
That's refusal. The officer doesn't have to give you a reason.
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