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View Poll Results: The dog died because of:
Action (guy tied it to a rope and let it die)
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Inaction (people were observers that did nothing to help it)
I searched for that topic and found nothing so here I go.
Guillermo Habacuc Vargas. He's the artist that took a dog from the street, tied it in an exhibition room and let it starve to death while visitors calmly observed the faith of the poor creature.
"In August, 2007, Vargas displayed his "Exposición N° 1" in the Códice Gallery in Managua, Nicaragua. The exposition included the burning of 175 pieces of crack cocaine and an ounce of marijuana while the Sandinista anthem played backwards. The work also included an emaciated dog tied to a wall by a length of rope with "Eres Lo Que Lees" ("You Are What You Read") written on the wall in dog food. The work attracted controversy when it was reported that the dog had starved to death as part of Vargas's work."
"Juanita Bermúdez, the director of the Códice Gallery, stated that the animal was fed regularly and was only tied up for three hours on one day before it escaped. Vargas himself refused to comment on the fate of the dog, but noted that no one tried to free the dog, give it food, call the police, or do anything for the dog. Vargas stated that the exhibit and the surrounding controversy highlight people's hypocrisy because no one cares about a dog that starves to death in the street."
"The outrage triggered by the photos and the allegations that the dog had been left to starve to death quickly spread internationally via blogs, e-mails, and other unconfirmed sources, including internet petitions to prevent Vargas from participating in the 2008 Bienal Centroamericana in Honduras that received over four million signatures. Vargas has endorsed the petition, saying that he, too, has signed it."
And here's what the artist says about it:
"I knew the dog died on the following day from lack of food. During the inauguration, I knew that the dog was persecuted in the evening between the houses of aluminum and cardboard in a district of Managua. 5 children who helped to capture the dog received 10 bonds of córdobas for their assistance. The name of the dog was Natividad, and I let him die of hunger in the sight of everyone, as if the death of a poor dog was a shameless media show in which nobody does anything but to applaud or to watch disturbed. In the place that the dog was exposed remain a metal cable and a cord. The dog was extremely ill and did not want to eat, so in natural surroundings it would have died anyway; thus they are all poor stray dogs: sooner or later they die or are killed."
I first heard of that story some time ago. My initial reaction was "That's repulsing, demented and sick!". I was angry at the artist. I was just reminded of this story again and this time I actually thought about it. Well, now I'm angry at us people (myself included).
You know good art is something that makes a point. Well this masterpiece does make a point. We have turned into fucking puppets. We do nothing unless someone tells us to do it. We are trained to obey like sheep. We are completely indifferent to the suffering of others even when they are right there in front of us. What makes me even more angry is that even if I was one of the viewers I wouldn't have moved my finger to try and report what's going on. I would feel bad about it but all I'd do is to observe, just like everyone else, regardless of how sickening it was. Jesus fucking christ, I wouldn't be surprised if we let a human starve to death in 10 years time. Our society is so rotten we actually turn suffering into entertainment.
I kinda don't understand the people saying "OMG the artist is so cruel - stop him and save another dog". Well, the artist is making an effort to wake people up from their vibrant color dreams and show them how fucking covered in shit they all are. Changing people may really make a difference, saving a dog and preserving the social misery around it will make non.
I mean I do realize causing people to care is what he strives for, but people should think about it, at least. I'm actually glad I saw that thing. And yes, I do think it's a masterpiece.
Do you?
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People say: if life gives you lemons - make a lemonade.
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Last edited by zmeiaspas : 11-18-2008 at 02:34 AM.
The only thing I see is some worthless piece of shit that deserves to be tied to a wall and starved in the twisted name of art, and the even more demented excuse of "teaching people a lesson" hell, while he's chained to the wall lets all piss on him too.
The only thing I see is some worthless piece of shit that deserves to be tied to a wall and starved in the twisted name of art, and the even more demented excuse of "teaching people a lesson" hell, while he's chained to the wall lets all piss on him too.
Agreed.
A true way to judge the greatness of a person is how well they treat those that are less fortunate than them.
Treating an unfortunate dog to a "death on display" for purposes of art is ludicrous. Would the dog have died on the street?? Probably. But it's no guarantee. Would it die tied to the wall with no ability to try to get food?? Yes, and it is guaranteed.
Do people need to wake up and look around them and get a broader picture of everything?? Of course. Is killing an innocent animal in the eye of the public for some people to be entertained the right way to do that?? Of course not.
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Treating an unfortunate dog to a "death on display" for purposes of art is ludicrous. Would the dog have died on the street?? Probably. But it's no guarantee. Would it die tied to the wall with no ability to try to get food?? Yes, and it is guaranteed.
Do people need to wake up and look around them and get a broader picture of everything?? Of course. Is killing an innocent animal in the eye of the public for some people to be entertained the right way to do that?? Of course not.
But who killed the animal really? Was it action or inaction? Were people afraid to fetch it some food because they would be facing prison time for doing that? Nobody told them to do that so why the fuck would they do it. I mean disobey = bad after all ...
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Originally Posted by BigArn
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Originally Posted by zmeiaspas
People say: if life gives you lemons - make a lemonade.
Then find somebody who's life made them vodka, and have a party!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Jobs
"You have to trust in something--your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever--because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leads you off the well-worn path, and that will make all the difference."
People who call that "art" are pretentious blowhards
So how do you define art?
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Originally Posted by BigArn
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Originally Posted by zmeiaspas
People say: if life gives you lemons - make a lemonade.
Then find somebody who's life made them vodka, and have a party!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Jobs
"You have to trust in something--your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever--because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leads you off the well-worn path, and that will make all the difference."
"Would the dog have died on the street?? Probably. But it's no guarantee. Would it die tied to the wall with no ability to try to get food?? Yes, and it is guaranteed." (I'm not pointing out at you Gimp ... that's not aimed personally at you but at everyone, me included)
Do you notice how we presume that when the dog is out on the street it may survive and when it's surrounded by people it is"guaranteed to die". Now tell me that's fucking normal. IMO that's wrong on a whole other level. So it's less likely to die if it's on its own but it will die for sure if it's surrounded by our 'caring' society. Unfortunately we all see that's OUR common attitude but non of us realizes it.
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2003 VFR - 4100 miles (and counting) - current bike
2006 FZ6 - 4000 miles - totaled
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigArn
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Originally Posted by zmeiaspas
People say: if life gives you lemons - make a lemonade.
Then find somebody who's life made them vodka, and have a party!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Jobs
"You have to trust in something--your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever--because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leads you off the well-worn path, and that will make all the difference."
So it's less likely to die if it's on its own but it will die for sure if it's surrounded by our 'caring' society.
Dude, get your head out of your ass and read what you posted. He meant that he would have died anyway since whatever illness the dog had made it not want to eat.
If you feel that bad about society's treatment of animals, go adopt a dog from the local pound or just off yourself.
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Stop being a lawbreaking minority who dates cheap skanks and remember what your right hand is on, and use it.
So did the nazi party and their twisted medical experiments we all bennefit from today but it still does not make it right.
I think the artist is doing what he can not to give you grounds for asking this question. After a few years, when we are covered in even more shit and he is allowed to starve a human being in a public display then you should ask this same question. Till then, don't compare life of a human being to life of an animal.
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2003 VFR - 4100 miles (and counting) - current bike
2006 FZ6 - 4000 miles - totaled
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigArn
Quote:
Originally Posted by zmeiaspas
People say: if life gives you lemons - make a lemonade.
Then find somebody who's life made them vodka, and have a party!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Jobs
"You have to trust in something--your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever--because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leads you off the well-worn path, and that will make all the difference."
Person starves dog to death and calls it art
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