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Honestly when I wrote that I was thinking about earlier in the thread when we were talking about #1 buck...which is .30.
PFFFTT whatever.
Nah you were pretty much spot on with the .357 .38 so Ill give that one to ya.
I have a video I think you would enjoy, pretty good was made over 20 years ago, I think its called "truths and myths about firearms" anyhow he does alot of interesting tests and is pretty straight forward on them although I do not necissarily agree with all his tests it was done fairlyl objectivly.
I will find the name you would enjoy the video I think, I liked him wayy more than the box of truth guy, who really does get on my nerves.
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Never done trap. despite growing up next to a trap club (snobby rednecks only allowed lol go figure).
One of these years I suppose.
Im more into long range and tactical shooting.
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Well, I never did trap until a few weeks ago. Coupla my fellow tech geek buddies talked me into going. I've always been more of a handgunner with a little short range (100 yd or so) rifle work.
However, I've found I'm shooting pretty damn well. I've shot 9 rounds so far... first 4 were 17-19 out of 25. Last 5 have been 2x20, 2x23 and a 25....Those 9 rounds were over 2 different clubs, 4 different guns and 5 different days.
Again, I'm no trapGod, but I'll take those numbers for now.
Well here in GA there's a town named Kennesaw that requires all homes to own at least 1 firearm, (unless you're not legally allowed to, i.e. felon, mental patient, etc.) and the last time I heard, there wasn't a whole lot of homeowners getting shot with their own weapons. Or any, that I've heard of.
Gun shows vary widely. I've always found them enjoyable, and sometimes worthwhile. You can often get good deals on ammo at them. Go to one and check everything out, have some fun. Maybe you'll find a good deal, maybe you won't, but at least you'll get a baseline on what's available and what the going rates are for things, and come out knowing more than when you went in.
Hopefully I'll have a free weekend to go redneckin' with D
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+1! It's all cool in the movies, but entering a potentially dangerous situation with a weapon that is not ready to fire is really stupid.
Seriously, this is a really bad approach. Of course you're hoping not to use it, but if you have to use it you'd better be ready to use it. Bluffing with guns is very bad. Entering a gunfight with an unreadied gun is foolish. You can damn well bet that when a SWAT team enters a building to clear it out, their shotguns are ready to fire; they're not waiting to "rack" them in the building to scare out any bad guys. If the bad guy is armed, then giving away your position for a sound effect could be fatal. If you want the sound that badly, put a file of it on your i-pod and hook it into the stereo before bed each night; you can play the scary sound while standing silently with your readied weapon -- best of both worlds.
Well, the SWAT team isn't trying to scare em out. An M500 has 5-8 rounds. Minus one isn't going to hurt me much. If dude ain't dead in 4-7 rounds, I think I'm pretty fucked even if I had one more.
Beyond that, I certainly don't want to keep one in the chamber. In fact, it probably won't even be loaded. Thankfully if someone invades my property, I have plenty of time to get to where the firearms will be stored, and pop a few rounds in it. With the dog in the way, it's entirely possible to have up to a minute. Worst case scenario, I have 14 seconds from front door to bedroom closet. I can always train to get up, get the gun, and load 4 rounds in 14 seconds.
The strategy is as much as having the alarm - 2-3 minute response times isn't going to save my ass. But just HAVING the alarm (and the sign outside) should deter most would-be baddies. Just as the sound of the action should deter most ballsy ones that ignore the alarm and shoot the dog.
With, of course, the exception of mindless, brain-eating ghouls.
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OTOH, if you're defending the building against zombies, and want to take them out while they're still climbing the fences of the yard, a good shotgun is definitely the way to go. In that case, R1100S-Rider's recommendation tois the answer. 12 gauge, magazine-fed, semi-auto, based on the ultra-reliable AK-47 type action -- can't go wrong there!
Come to think of it, a pre-ban AK and SPAS12 might be in order.
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Are you wanting a dedicated home defense/"tactical" shotgun setup? Or just a good all around shotgun that doubles as home defense? Mossberg 500 is a great gun for the $$$ and can be had in many configurations from "tactical" to hunting. If you're not going for the "tactical" style.. then a good ole 500 w/ a 26" barrel will work just fine... and if you ever decide you want to take it hunting... you won't need to go out and buy another gun. You can always buy the shorter barrel, tactical stock, ect.... and add them to the gun. And if you ever go to sell it.. it'll be worth more... esp if you keep everything in good shape.
Big 5 Sporting goods (maybe they are not in your area?) Mossberg 500 12 ga Home Defense / Field Combo - comes with both a 28" and 18.5" barrel for $249.
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Very intersting article well stated on ballistics.
Having read both on success and failures of heavy birdshot stopping people I am not in total agreement but definatly a good article and makes complete sense.
Although I am a bit of a hypocrite since I do keep my shotguns loaded with 4buck myself.
And something for the OP to read.
I actually agree, I have a winchester defender and did have a major jam in the begining, having to take the gun apart to get the load out and I do not recall the personal smithing I did as that was 16 years ago. My biggest complaint with it is simply that without a forend pistol grip it will kick the action out, something I never liked but it has fired hundreds of rnds since I fixed it without any other failures. anyhow check this out.
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Have you ever experienced a governmental department that did things in a common sense manner? If you have, that puts you "one up" on the overwhelming majority of the people on this planet
Very entertaining you would talk about having a round in the chamber and being prepared, but you yea now THATS the way to do it.
Yup people shoudl be prepared, and a round should be in the chamber soon as possible however, since your's is in a lock box (still laughin) I kinda find it funny you are going off about the importance of one in the chamber at all times, does it help while its sitting rnd?
Just curious phil, do you know how to slice the pie? practice low light shooting? shoot no shoot scenerios?
Edit: The rest I already said.
Have a nice day.
Who pissed in your Cheerios? You're usually a bit difficult, but this week you've really been over the top.
Anyway, we frequently have other people's children at our house, and I cannot be sure (esp. here in CA) that they have been reliably trained in gun safety. Our bedroom is upstairs in a location that is defensible, and my wife is a very light sleeper. The lockbox is one of those 5-button ones that is very quick to access if you know the combo and have practiced, yet plenty good enough to defeat a curious toddler should one find it. I live in a fairly low crime area. Given all that, I have made the conscious decision to sacrifice a small bit of my safety for the sake of preventing an accident.
That's different than sacrificing your own safety foolishly in order to make a scary noise and hope. Are you actually advocating the idea of entering the fight without a round chambered so you can make the scary "racking" noise, or are you just being difficult for fun?
And yeah, I know the rest of that stuff. Yay for me. What difference does that make with regard to any of these arguments?
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Who pissed in your Cheerios? You're usually a bit difficult, but this week you've really been over the top.
Anyway, we frequently have other people's children at our house, and I cannot be sure (esp. here in CA) that they have been reliably trained in gun safety. Our bedroom is upstairs in a location that is defensible, and my wife is a very light sleeper. The lockbox is one of those 5-button ones that is very quick to access if you know the combo and have practiced, yet plenty good enough to defeat a curious toddler should one find it. I live in a fairly low crime area. Given all that, I have made the conscious decision to sacrifice a small bit of my safety for the sake of preventing an accident.
That's different than sacrificing your own safety foolishly in order to make a scary noise and hope. Are you actually advocating the idea of entering the fight without a round chambered so you can make the scary "racking" noise, or are you just being difficult for fun?
And yeah, I know the rest of that stuff. Yay for me. What difference does that make with regard to any of these arguments?
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Eh I posted when I just woke up so ya, you could say my cheerios were pissed on. I could say the same for you, we have not been seeing eye to eye latley but its all good phil.
Just pointing out something I did find entertaining.
As I said soon as you grab your gun you should be putting a round in the chamber. But I do not necissarily find it all that important to have one in the chamber while its sitting in the closet, under the bed or wherever.
What I will do versus someone without the training or the knowledge of the OP is kind of Irrelivent so I am keeping it on a amature level for him. I also do not have any children so again, I can leave a pistol or rifle hot and laying around if I so choose.
Personally I will run drills untell I start getting tired, then I give it up for the day. Want to keep the mucle memory smooth.
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There are to many babies in this country anyhow.
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Have you ever experienced a governmental department that did things in a common sense manner? If you have, that puts you "one up" on the overwhelming majority of the people on this planet
Who pissed in your Cheerios? You're usually a bit difficult, but this week you've really been over the top.