Gun Nuts - is a gun show worth it?

[636blurr]

Originally Posted by Teej

Never....ever...have I given this attitude, at least intentionally.

If that's something you got from me - I apologize. I don't carry a chip on my shoulder or (intentionally) a 'tude. I'm quite laid back.

That said...while I haven't shot anyone nor been shot at, I have had 2 different potential "home defense" situations.

I was not properly prepared for the first one, and while it turned out to be harmless...I was mostly happy with the way I responded. However, it made me stop and think and come up with a list of possible situations and actions. When the second (again, thankfully non issue) event occurred...I was more comfortable with my reactions, movement, and the location of my phone and flashlight...not to mention my plans for dealing with the situation.

[Teej]

Originally Posted by 636blurr

/me pours 636 a fine tequila

[DEMIAN1970]

Get a room

[Teej]

Hey Go *&(^)( Yourself!!!!!

;)

[DEMIAN1970]

Bzbatl and I are going to the friggen gun show. Suck it bitches. A gun show may charge for the booth space, but it's much less than a lease on a store front with a commercial phone number and BATF license.

[DEMIAN1970]

Originally Posted by Teej

Hey Go *&(^)( Yourself!!!!!

;)

I do. Every day. Yay for Youporn!

[Teej]

Originally Posted by DEMIAN1970

I do. Every day. Yay for Youporn!

[636blurr]

Originally Posted by DEMIAN1970

Bzbatl and I are going to the friggen gun show. Suck it bitches. A gun show may charge for the booth space, but it's much less than a lease on a store front with a commercial phone number and BATF license.

lol well those guys at gun shows have their own stores usually FYI.

Glad your taking him have fun.


I usually enjoy gun shows, just rarely buy anything of importance.

[srl5791]

Yes most do, but if you carry cash you can usually find a deal.

[PhilB]

Gun shows vary widely. I've always found them enjoyable, and sometimes worthwhile. You can often get good deals on ammo at them. Go to one and check everything out, have some fun. Maybe you'll find a good deal, maybe you won't, but at least you'll get a baseline on what's available and what the going rates are for things, and come out knowing more than when you went in.

Originally Posted by Teej

Frankly I think it's misguided to have the chamber empty and rely on the "clack clack" to scare someone off. It's been scientifically proven that the sound of a shell loading does not cause bad guys to lose bowel control.

If it comes down to needing to shoot someone with a shotgun, I want to shoot them NOW, not after I rack ar ound.

+1! It's all cool in the movies, but entering a potentially dangerous situation with a weapon that is not ready to fire is really stupid.

Originally Posted by MeinGlänzendMotorrad

Actually, at short range, you still have to be pretty damn accurate.

+1. It's another movie myth that you don't have to aim shotguns. For in-home defense, I much prefer handguns, actually. They're much easier to ready for action, to store safely where needed, and to maneuver with; not harder to hit with, and carry more rounds.

OTOH, if you're defending the building against zombies, and want to take them out while they're still climbing the fences of the yard, a good shotgun is definitely the way to go. In that case, R1100S-Rider's recommendation to

Originally Posted by R1100S-Rider

Get a SAIGA 12!!!!

is the answer. 12 gauge, magazine-fed, semi-auto, based on the ultra-reliable AK-47 type action -- can't go wrong there!

Originally Posted by bzbatl

Again, the hope is to NOT have to use it. If I give up my position, that's fine. The intruder *should* be bleeding already from the dog, and the cops *should* already be on the way.

The sound of the shotgun loading *should* scare them away. But if it doesn't - it doesn't matter to me that he knows where I am. He'll have a dozen or so pellets in his ass in a couple seconds.

Seriously, this is a really bad approach. Of course you're hoping not to use it, but if you have to use it you'd better be ready to use it. Bluffing with guns is very bad. Entering a gunfight with an unreadied gun is foolish. You can damn well bet that when a SWAT team enters a building to clear it out, their shotguns are ready to fire; they're not waiting to "rack" them in the building to scare out any bad guys. If the bad guy is armed, then giving away your position for a sound effect could be fatal. If you want the sound that badly, put a file of it on your i-pod and hook it into the stereo before bed each night; you can play the scary sound while standing silently with your readied weapon -- best of both worlds.

Originally Posted by f2benny

Racking a round gives up your position and reduces your total shot capacity

Originally Posted by 636blurr

Right becouse your ninja man, and you are going to sneek up on the burgler, becouse all the situations are Ideal, and you did not just get woke up in the middle of the night, having to fumble around your bedroom to find the lightswitch, shotgun and falshlight with crusties in your eyes.

You go Rambo.

I think that's his point -- situations aren't ideal or predictable; entering the situation not ready to fire, giving away your position intentionally while still not fully ready to fire, and giving up a round of capacity are all bad ideas for the real world.

Originally Posted by 636blurr

See this is what I always find entertaining. first off .people spend something like 80 percent of their time away from home, so the odds of you even being home when your home is burglarised is pretty slim.
Second, the attitude that when someone kicks in your door you will have your weopon in hand and be completly prepared to deal with said person...

I'm not going to pick this all apart, just note that there's a lot of room between "weapon in hand and completely prepared" and your described scenario of completely bumblef**king around. Last time I had a home intruder, my wife woke me up having heard something, and -- knowing where I keep my HD gun and having practiced getting it out of the lockbox quickly and quietly -- I did so and came down the stairs (with a round already in the chamber -- no screwing around). A little practice and mental preparation can go a long way.

And "something like 80 percent of their time away from home"? Did you know that 73% of statistics are made up on the spot? Most people sleep at least 30% of their time, so even if they only use their home to bunk in, that's only 70% away from home. With a little eating and watching TV and stuff, I bet most people spend at least 50% of their time at home.

PhilB

[Omahastylin16]

Originally Posted by PhilB

+1. It's another movie myth that you don't have to aim shotguns. For in-home defense, I much prefer handguns, actually. They're much easier to ready for action, to store safely where needed, and to maneuver with; not harder to hit with, and carry more rounds.

+1000000

although a shotgun is a simple easy to use weapon a semi-auto handgun is preferable to me. quicker to load assuming you have a mag loaded, can be stored in a dresser drawer, carries more rounds, and allows you to attach or carry a flashlight as well as open doors and maneuver easier.

to the OP, if you're dead set on a shotgun pick up a nice cheap, short barreled pump shotgun at your local sporting goods store, gun shop, or pawn shop, there should be no shortage shotguns under $200. as far as shot goes, a #4 or even #6 load has more than enough punch for home defense. you have to remember that although theyre intended for hunting large birds your target will be much closer to you than any bird would be. at home defense range, a #6 load will almost definitely kill a human with 1 shot

[636blurr]

Originally Posted by PhilB

Gun shows vary widely. I've always found them enjoyable, and sometimes worthwhile. You can often get good deals on ammo at them. Go to one and check everything out, have some fun. Maybe you'll find a good deal, maybe you won't, but at least you'll get a baseline on what's available and what the going rates are for things, and come out knowing more than when you went in.

+1! It's all cool in the movies, but entering a potentially dangerous situation with a weapon that is not ready to fire is really stupid.

+1. It's another movie myth that you don't have to aim shotguns. For in-home defense, I much prefer handguns, actually. They're much easier to ready for action, to store safely where needed, and to maneuver with; not harder to hit with, and carry more rounds.

OTOH, if you're defending the building against zombies, and want to take them out while they're still climbing the fences of the yard, a good shotgun is definitely the way to go. In that case, R1100S-Rider's recommendation tois the answer. 12 gauge, magazine-fed, semi-auto, based on the ultra-reliable AK-47 type action -- can't go wrong there!

Seriously, this is a really bad approach. Of course you're hoping not to use it, but if you have to use it you'd better be ready to use it. Bluffing with guns is very bad. Entering a gunfight with an unreadied gun is foolish. You can damn well bet that when a SWAT team enters a building to clear it out, their shotguns are ready to fire; they're not waiting to "rack" them in the building to scare out any bad guys. If the bad guy is armed, then giving away your position for a sound effect could be fatal. If you want the sound that badly, put a file of it on your i-pod and hook it into the stereo before bed each night; you can play the scary sound while standing silently with your readied weapon -- best of both worlds.

I think that's his point -- situations aren't ideal or predictable; entering the situation not ready to fire, giving away your position intentionally while still not fully ready to fire, and giving up a round of capacity are all bad ideas for the real world.

I'm not going to pick this all apart, just note that there's a lot of room between "weapon in hand and completely prepared" and your described scenario of completely bumblef**king around. Last time I had a home intruder, my wife woke me up having heard something, and -- knowing where I keep my HD gun and having practiced getting it out of the lockbox quickly and quietly -- I did so and came down the stairs (with a round already in the chamber -- no screwing around). A little practice and mental preparation can go a long way.

And "something like 80 percent of their time away from home"? Did you know that 73% of statistics are made up on the spot? Most people sleep at least 30% of their time, so even if they only use their home to bunk in, that's only 70% away from home. With a little eating and watching TV and stuff, I bet most people spend at least 50% of their time at home.

PhilB

Very entertaining you would talk about having a round in the chamber and being prepared, but you

having practiced getting it out of the lockbox quickly and quietly

yea now THATS the way to do it.
Yup people shoudl be prepared, and a round should be in the chamber soon as possible however, since your's is in a lock box (still laughin) I kinda find it funny you are going off about the importance of one in the chamber at all times, does it help while its sitting rnd?
Just curious phil, do you know how to slice the pie? practice low light shooting? shoot no shoot scenerios?
Edit: The rest I already said.

Have a nice day.

[obxFZ6]

Originally Posted by 636blurr

most importantly do you know how to slice the pie? and do you know what the significance of that is?
.

1) Slice?... I want to eat the whole thing!
2) significance? I get fat...

[636blurr]

Originally Posted by obxFZ6

1) Slice?... I want to eat the whole thing!
2) significance? I get fat...

mmm penguin pie taste good.

[MrR2009]

I will NEVER I repeat NEVER encourage someone to keep a weapon with a round in the chamber. Thats a great way for an accidental shooting to happen. If it has a clip, I keep the clip out until I need it, it takes all of 3 seconds to insert a clip and charge a rifle. If its a revolver that I'm using for home defense, I would leave the top chamber empty. (Had a teacher this year take a considerable chunk out of his leg when his .44 fell out of the holster he was carrying in his hand.) as for a shotgun at least don't put a round in the chamber. Also when he's old enough (I assume its a he) teach your kid about the dangers of firearms, then teach him how to identify if a weapon is loaded and to check every time he picks one up. Then teach him how to effectively use that weapon. That will keep you alot safer than worrying about somebody breaking in.