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Old 04-17-2008, 11:30 PM   #31 (permalink)
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wrong, there are more whites on welfare than blacks and hispanics, and hispanics have about the same public assistance stats as blacks. hispanics also have a higher out of wedlock pregnancy and high school drop out rate than blacks.

condi and keys...ok. the sellout thing is not true.

leading cause of blacks 15-24 is blacks? whites have the highest suicide rate and drug use rate. you're point?

the point is, the black middle class is rising, college graduate rates are going up, ect.
Good IM glad people are taken advantage of colleges and other benefits of this country. There is no Excuse for welfare regardless of what background you are from.
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Welfare Expenditures by Ethnic Group - by Robert Rector - The Heartland Institute
At present, over 70 means-tested aid programs provide cash, food, housing, medical care, social services, and training to lower income persons in the United States. Among the largest programs are Temporary Assistance to Needy Families, the Earned Income Tax Credit, Medicaid, Food Stamps, and child nutrition programs.

Total means-tested welfare expenditures by federal and state governments amounted to roughly $384 billion in 1998. Of that sum, $212 billion--55 percent--went to white recipients. Some $105 billion--28 percent--went to black recipients, and $69 billion--17 percent--went to Hispanic recipients.

Aid to black and Hispanic welfare recipients is greater in proportion to the size of their populations than is aid to white recipients. This can be seen by determining the average welfare expenditure per person for each ethnic group.

As a group, the 207 million white residents in the U.S. population receive $212 billion in benefits. As a group, then, they receive some $1,022 per person in welfare aid.

There are some 30 million Hispanic residents in the U.S., and Hispanics as a group receive $69 billion in welfare, or roughly $2,210 per person. As a group, the 33 million black residents in the U.S. receive $105 billion in welfare aid, or roughly $3,230 per person.

These figures represent the hypothetical amount each individual would receive if total welfare spending for each ethnic group were spread evenly among all members of that group. Consequently, the figures should not be interpreted to represent the aid actually received by persons on welfare--those numbers would be far higher.

In addition, the per-capita figures should not be interpreted to mean the typical black or Hispanic welfare recipient receives higher welfare benefits than the typical white recipient. In fact, welfare aid per recipient would tend to be similar across all three ethnic groups.

The per-capita welfare spending figures are higher for black recipients because the percentage of the total black population that receives welfare is greater than the percentage of the white population that receives welfare. The same is true for Hispanic recipients.

The higher rates of welfare receipt among blacks and Hispanics are largely the result of the erosion of marriage among those groups. In 1998, 69.1 percent of black children were born outside of wedlock. Among Hispanics the number was 41.6 percent, while among non-Hispanic whites the number was 21.9 percent.

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Old 04-18-2008, 02:02 AM   #32 (permalink)
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What I'm just saying to you are the facts of life from my perspective and those I've seen around me. Tell me when you have been pulled over and asked "So where are the drugs" or walking down the street minding you own business not bothering anyone and being told " I can arrest you on something before you cross the street".

I've never been in trouble or arrested in my life. I work and pay taxes like the next man. It's easy to point out successful black people, because there are not that many of them compared to whites. You can't name every successful white person. It kills me when people outside my race talk about what's going on in it, or how far we have come, when they don't understand what it takes to be successful as a black person. Not in every situation of course, but a lot of the times you are treat differently. Especially when you hold a position that your not expected to have.

I'm in the military and I've experienced shock when I walk in the room to give a briefing. I've been ask very basic questions about my work that in idiot would know. As I said before, when you live in a world were in most situations you are the MAJORITY you don't realize or have any idea of how people react or treat you in those situations. I'm a straight down the middle person. I have close friends of all races. I even live pretty much all white area because of my job and my wife's job. Most blacks don't have a problem with race. Most blacks I know don't care or agree with all the crap Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton spit out from time to time.

The problem I think that most blacks have is, that white people think we have it so good because, slavery is over and Opera is rich so everything is all better. When you are the only black person in the room the atmosphere is different. I from the south and there are a lot of under tones still here in some places. With that been said just like anything else there are good white people and bad ones also. But the real problem is this unconscious , unspoken thought process that some white people believe about blacks. I don't believe that it's an intentional thing in most cases. But it's there.
I'm just being real, I don't need anyone's sympathy nor am I looking for any. I just trying to educate you on what's real, and what no census or numbers can every show.
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What I'm just saying to you are the facts of life from my perspective and those I've seen around me. Tell me when you have been pulled over and asked "So where are the drugs" or walking down the street minding you own business not bothering anyone and being told " I can arrest you on something before you cross the street".

I've never been in trouble or arrested in my life. I work and pay taxes like the next man. It's easy to point out successful black people, because there are not that many of them compared to whites. You can't name every successful white person. It kills me when people outside my race talk about what's going on in it, or how far we have come, when they don't understand what it takes to be successful as a black person. Not in every situation of course, but a lot of the times you are treat differently. Especially when you hold a position that your not expected to have.

I'm in the military and I've experienced shock when I walk in the room to give a briefing. I've been ask very basic questions about my work that in idiot would know. As I said before, when you live in a world were in most situations you are the MAJORITY you don't realize or have any idea of how people react or treat you in those situations. I'm a straight down the middle person. I have close friends of all races. I even live pretty much all white area because of my job and my wife's job. Most blacks don't have a problem with race. Most blacks I know don't care or agree with all the crap Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton spit out from time to time.

The problem I think that most blacks have is, that white people think we have it so good because, slavery is over and Opera is rich so everything is all better. When you are the only black person in the room the atmosphere is different. I from the south and there are a lot of under tones still here in some places. With that been said just like anything else there are good white people and bad ones also. But the real problem is this unconscious , unspoken thought process that some white people believe about blacks. I don't believe that it's an intentional thing in most cases. But it's there.
I'm just being real, I don't need anyone's sympathy nor am I looking for any. I just trying to educate you on what's real, and what no census or numbers can every show.
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What I'm just saying to you are the facts of life from my perspective and those I've seen around me. Tell me when you have been pulled over and asked "So where are the drugs" or walking down the street minding you own business not bothering anyone and being told " I can arrest you on something before you cross the street".

I've never been in trouble or arrested in my life. I work and pay taxes like the next man. It's easy to point out successful black people, because there are not that many of them compared to whites. You can't name every successful white person. It kills me when people outside my race talk about what's going on in it, or how far we have come, when they don't understand what it takes to be successful as a black person. Not in every situation of course, but a lot of the times you are treat differently. Especially when you hold a position that your not expected to have.

I'm in the military and I've experienced shock when I walk in the room to give a briefing. I've been ask very basic questions about my work that in idiot would know. As I said before, when you live in a world were in most situations you are the MAJORITY you don't realize or have any idea of how people react or treat you in those situations. I'm a straight down the middle person. I have close friends of all races. I even live pretty much all white area because of my job and my wife's job. Most blacks don't have a problem with race. Most blacks I know don't care or agree with all the crap Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton spit out from time to time.

The problem I think that most blacks have is, that white people think we have it so good because, slavery is over and Opera is rich so everything is all better. When you are the only black person in the room the atmosphere is different. I from the south and there are a lot of under tones still here in some places. With that been said just like anything else there are good white people and bad ones also. But the real problem is this unconscious , unspoken thought process that some white people believe about blacks. I don't believe that it's an intentional thing in most cases. But it's there.
I'm just being real, I don't need anyone's sympathy nor am I looking for any. I just trying to educate you on what's real, and what no census or numbers can every show.
I dono what it is but people ask to buy drugs off me all the time, allways have ,guess I should have capitalized on it, could of made alot more money.

As for the rest, it applies to everyone, not just your race, again get over that BS.
My sister had a hard time at stanford, not becouse she didnt get good grades, not becouse of her skin color, but becouse she came from a blue collar family.
Couple more for ya, the real good jobs around here, at a local mine, pays over 120k a year, everyone wants to get on, you do not get on unless your related to someone or have a good buddy who's working high up there.
Years ago me and a friend applied at a lumber mill in a nieghboring town. soon as they found out what town we were from, they told us "the positions have been filled" and showed us to the door.
I was in the phillipeans, at a resort. And talking with a couple of other buisnessmen from america. everything was all good, untell they commented on the locals having to work jobs like they were, turns out the other two americans came from privlaged backgrounds, Im like wait a minute, I was logging at 14 and worked my way up. They refused to talk to me anymore.
So get over your "im black and people treat me differnt" bullshit, we have been trying to get thru your head over and over again that it happens to everyone in every walk of life in every fucking race.
Soon as you accept that, and just move on with your life, the better off we all will be.

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See my point has been made. You will never get, and thats why the problems will continue. And I said the Police pulled me over and ask me where the drugs where at. Have the cops every pulled you over and that was the first thing that came out his mouth I don't think so.

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I dono what it is but people ask to buy drugs off me all the time, allways have ,guess I should have capitalized on it, could of made alot more money.

As for the rest, it applies to everyone, not just your race, again get over that BS.
My sister had a hard time at stanford, not becouse she didnt get good grades, not becouse of her skin color, but becouse she came from a blue collar family.
Couple more for ya, the real good jobs around here, at a local mine, pays over 120k a year, everyone wants to get on, you do not get on unless your related to someone or have a good buddy who's working high up there.
Years ago me and a friend applied at a lumber mill in a nieghboring town. soon as they found out what town we were from, they told us "the positions have been filled" and showed us to the door.
I was in the phillipeans, at a resort. And talking with a couple of other buisnessmen from america. everything was all good, untell they commented on the locals having to work jobs like they were, turns out the other two americans came from privlaged backgrounds, Im like wait a minute, I was logging at 14 and worked my way up. They refused to talk to me anymore.
So get over your "im black and people treat me differnt" bullshit, we have been trying to get thru your head over and over again that it happens to everyone in every walk of life in every fucking race.
Soon as you accept that, and just move on with your life, the better off we all will be.
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Yea I think where you guys were saying more white were on welfare, you were thinking just about the poor/homeless population.

There are more white people who are poor/homeless than there are blacks, but blacks are def. over represented in that category.

I can't comment from the blue collar perspective like you can Blurr but from my personal experience, things are different for me because I am black.

When you are the only one in the room, you get looked at especially here in GA. I never cared because I am more of a "prep" guy and try to stay well dressed and well spoken. When I came to Georgia Tech is was a little worse since only like 10% or less of the school is black.

Truthfully, I don't care. Because I will be successful regardless of my race or minority status. Sure "White privilege bothers me on occasion but I don't care.
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See my point has been made. You will never get, and thats why the problems will continue. And I said the Police pulled me over and ask me where the drugs where at. Have the cops every pulled you over and that was the first thing that came out his mouth I don't think so.
Actually yes I have more than once sadly.
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Yea I think where you guys were saying more white were on welfare, you were thinking just about the poor/homeless population.

There are more white people who are poor/homeless than there are blacks, but blacks are def. over represented in that category.

I can't comment from the blue collar perspective like you can Blurr but from my personal experience, things are different for me because I am black.

When you are the only one in the room, you get looked at especially here in GA. I never cared because I am more of a "prep" guy and try to stay well dressed and well spoken. When I came to Georgia Tech is was a little worse since only like 10% or less of the school is black.

Truthfully, I don't care. Because I will be successful regardless of my race or minority status. Sure "White privilege bothers me on occasion but I don't care.

Now your talking.
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Redline, why you even bother is beyond me. Most people here are sheltered and naive. Some are even denying that being a minority has any social repurcussions. Idiots.

The best part of this whole "conversation" is blurr's "I dated niggers, chinks, gooks, kikes... I'm not racist!" Yeah, I eat Taco Bell, how can I hate Mexicans?
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Redline, why you even bother is beyond me. Most people here are sheltered and naive. Some are even denying that being a minority has any social repurcussions. Idiots.

The best part of this whole "conversation" is blurr's "I dated niggers, chinks, gooks, kikes... I'm not racist!" Yeah, I eat Taco Bell, how can I hate Mexicans?
And your dying that being part of any group has some sort of social repurcussion? Please get over yourself, there is discrimination in every way and form and you dont have to be black go get it.
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