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Para do you lose your house if you do not make your payments to the government or not?
Really its a simple question, if your answer is "yes" then you never own your house, you merely lease it from the government.
The constitution does outline no "double taxation" apparently that doesnt apply to taxing you over and over again on the same object.
What are you talking about? Maybe I should write my representative from the capital gains tax that I paid using after payroll-tax money to purchase my positions.
If you don't make your mortgage payment, "your" property will be foreclosed.
He is not talking about your mortgage payment. He is talking about property taxes. Even if you owe no money against your home and/or land, you still have to make payments on it in the form of property taxes. What this amounts to is rent that you pay the government for the right to use what is supposed to be your land. If they can charge your rent on it, then it is not your at all. It actually belongs to the government, and the deed you have does nothing more than outline who has bought the right to rent that piece of land from the government. Don't pay the rent, and they will evict you from their land, and sell the right to rent it from them to someone else.
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He is not talking about your mortgage payment. He is talking about property taxes. Even if you owe no money against your home and/or land, you still have to make payments on it in the form of property taxes. What this amounts to is rent that you pay the government for the right to use what is supposed to be your land. If they can charge your rent on it, then it is not your at all. It actually belongs to the government, and the deed you have does nothing more than outline who has bought the right to rent that piece of land from the government. Don't pay the rent, and they will evict you from their land, and sell the right to rent it from them to someone else.
The taxes which land owners pay, pay for:
1) Owning land that is within a border secured by our military.
2) Owning land that is supported by the roads maintained by the state.
3) Owning land which is secured by your state police forces.
4) Owning land which is internally secured by numerous state and federal departments to help keep you safe.
Its not "rent", it is payment for services rendered.
And its not mandatory either....you get #1-4 above just for renting an apartment, where you pay NO taxes.
Its a fair shake, and to say otherwise is simply myopic greed.
1) Owning land that is within a border secured by our military.
2) Owning land that is supported by the roads maintained by the state.
3) Owning land which is secured by your state police forces.
4) Owning land which is internally secured by numerous state and federal departments to help keep you safe.
Its not "rent", it is payment for services rendered.
And its not mandatory either....you get #1-4 above just for renting an apartment, where you pay NO taxes.
Its a fair shake, and to say otherwise is simply myopic greed.
Absolutly you do pay taxes when your paying rent, that money goes to the holder of property who in turn will use a protion of that payment to pay the govenment for the trouble of having his dewelling on government land.
Dude, you really dont realize how many taxes there are in this country do you? Roughly 43 percent for a bloated government that does not do shit.
OHHH And FYI, property tax does not go twords road work, that is taken from your vehicle registration fee and your gasonline tax.
Why in the hell are you against people in America actually owning and having real freedom? What exactly is your problem with that?
1) Owning land that is within a border secured by our military.
2) Owning land that is supported by the roads maintained by the state.
3) Owning land which is secured by your state police forces.
4) Owning land which is internally secured by numerous state and federal departments to help keep you safe.
Its not "rent", it is payment for services rendered.
And its not mandatory either....you get #1-4 above just for renting an apartment, where you pay NO taxes.
Its a fair shake, and to say otherwise is simply myopic greed.
Actually, you nullified your argument.
You get 1-4 whether you own land or not, just change the word own to rent. If your property taxes are payment for these services rendered, how to people that rent pay for these services rendered. I am guessing that it is from the other taxes that they pay. But wait, we property owners also pay those taxes. That would mean we pay twice for those things.
Sorry, you can try again, but that post does nothing to prove your point.
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You get 1-4 whether you own land or not, just change the word own to rent. If your property taxes are payment for these services rendered, how to people that rent pay for these services rendered. I am guessing that it is from the other taxes that they pay. But wait, we property owners also pay those taxes. That would mean we pay twice for those things.
Sorry, you can try again, but that post does nothing to prove your point.
You get them because the owner of the land pays for that.
If the owner then chooses to let you live on that land for a fee, that is just great for you.
Also, those services are not *entirely* paid for by property taxes, only in part.
Most of the funding for those major services comes from income tax, but a great portion does come from your income tax.
You guys are free to believe what you want, but don't come in here and try to tell us that property tax is some kind of great scam. Its what pays for the services that you and I take advantage of on a daily basis.
but don't come in here and try to tell us that property tax is some kind of great scam. Its what pays for the services that you and I take advantage of on a daily basis.
Bull shit. Most taxes are a great scam, and they mostly pay for function the government has no constitutional authority to perform anyway.
And the way property taxes are set up make them a great scam. I purchase land, so I get to pay the government rent on it. Then, if I spend MY money to better the land that I supposedly own, the government gets to jack up the rent. I can pay the new rent, or sell someone else the right to rent it. That is bull.
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Don't spread my WEALTH...Spread my WORK ETHIC!
Taxes are a huge scam because there is no direct relationship between the dollar taxed and the service rendered.
There is so much b.s. (overhead, pet projects, welfare, waste, etc.) w/ the money *taken* from you and how that money is spent that you, me, nor the government itself could tell you exactly where the money they extract from your wallet is going.
btw, I really don't need 1-4 (maybe #1) but definitely not 2-4.
A bud of mine's brother got his 4th DUI ticket, comes crying to Bro "Why me? Why is it always me?". Got the following explanation:
"Let me explain it to you.."
"You pull up at the end of the line - trooper looks back and thinks 'that looks like a drunk's car'"
"He leans in the window and thinks "this smells like a drunk's car'"
"Then he looks at you, and you look like a drunk"
"Guess who's going to blow the breathalyser?"
I know there are riders who are LE on here - tell me if I'm wrong.
In the meantime, I've seen too many mangled drivers and riders resulting from people who were too stupid to give the keys to someone else when they had one too many. "A hard head makes for a sore ass" is absolutely true in most cases, but unfortunately, the drunk usually emerges unscathed.
You get them because the owner of the land pays for that.
If the owner then chooses to let you live on that land for a fee, that is just great for you.
Also, those services are not *entirely* paid for by property taxes, only in part.
Most of the funding for those major services comes from income tax, but a great portion does come from your income tax.
You guys are free to believe what you want, but don't come in here and try to tell us that property tax is some kind of great scam. Its what pays for the services that you and I take advantage of on a daily basis.
You do realize that the payment of taxes is supposed to be voluntary? You also do realize there was just a landmark case won agains the IRS saying that income tax was not legal as well.
There are a couple of states that do not have income tax.
And to say that its my duty to pay forever for something I can never truly own, Piss off, If I owned it, I wouldnt have to pay anyone else for it now would I.
You do realize that the payment of taxes is supposed to be voluntary? You also do realize there was just a landmark case won agains the IRS saying that income tax was not legal as well.
There are a couple of states that do not have income tax.
And to say that its my duty to pay forever for something I can never truly own, Piss off, If I owned it, I wouldnt have to pay anyone else for it now would I.
Cite the source for your "facts" and we will talk.
Until then, you are spewing the same fictional bullshit as always.
You do realize that the payment of taxes is supposed to be voluntary? You also do realize there was just a landmark case won agains the IRS saying that income tax was not legal as well.
There are a couple of states that do not have income tax.
And to say that its my duty to pay forever for something I can never truly own, Piss off, If I owned it, I wouldnt have to pay anyone else for it now would I.
So are you talking about state or federal income taxes?
So are you talking about state or federal income taxes?
Both, apparently.
His total lack of the ability to talk about anything in a concise, clear, and well stated manner make these discussions about as useful as slamming your dick in a desk drawer, while screaming the lyrics to "hit me baby one more time" in latin.
Cite the source for your "facts" and we will talk.
Until then, you are spewing the same fictional bullshit as always.
Tell ya what para, why dont you do some leg work on this one then get back to me.
Doing research on ones own always is far more beneficial than someone doing it for ya.
His total lack of the ability to talk about anything in a concise, clear, and well stated manner make these discussions about as useful as slamming your dick in a desk drawer, while screaming the lyrics to "hit me baby one more time" in latin.
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