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I have to disagree....yes, the people that work towards contiued prohibition would be out of a job, or perhaps transfered into something more meaningful? (fighting terrorism?) But the economy would NOT take a hit, infact, if done properly, the economy would prosper further than it already is!
How do all these changes happen? Magic? You want to displace millions of workers, many of them protected by unions, and relocate billions of dollars...how? It doesn't just work *snap* *poof* fixed.
I'm not arguing the basic argument that if it were never prohibited, we would be better off economically. I completely agree. Economists as famed as Milton Friedman agree. But that's assuming the impossible. It takes a lot more than ideals, hopes, and brilliant ideas (like the tax systems suggested by you and many other economists like Friedman) to make a radical change.
It simply isn't possible. Maybe if we had a rewind button shoot us back a hundred years we could change the current state we're in. But this is where we're at, whether we like it or not.
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never tried a cigarette or weed...dont want to never will...
was gonna become a cop heh...
anyways...i got nothing against pot smokers...since some of my friends are potheads...as long as they dont do it near me or when they drive or ride...
and dont say it doesnt affect your driving or anything...because anything that affects your mind and makes "normal" things less "normal" then its affecting something...
as long as they dont do it near me or when they drive or ride...
and dont say it doesnt affect your driving or anything...because anything that affects your mind and makes "normal" things less "normal" then its affecting something...
I smoke a good bit of pot, hell I used to grow it. Yet I completely agree.
Actually, know of a 32 year old that died with a bong in his hands a few weeks ago.
Was it laced with PCP, Cocain, Famaldahyde, or some other cock tail? I ask because the amount of THC it would take to kill a 150lb human is around 2 lbs in 1-2 hours. The did extensive test on rats and the THC amounts had to be huge to cause any side effects that would cause death.
yeah i never never do that, ive turned it down many times cuz i was on the bike, but i have a friend who smokes and rides all the time and it worries me
Actually, know of a 32 year old that died with a bong in his hands a few weeks ago.
How many alcohol fatalities do you deal with comparatively? Marijuana is illegal for political reasons. I think it is crazy to outlaw a plant. We spend so many resources fighting it is completely outrageous. Locking people up for life for dealing pot, but killers get 10 or 20 yrs if that. What an imbalance in our justice system. I mean our government does not even want sick people to have it. WHY?
For alcohol, the message is much different at this point. Our entire society is built around the responsible use of alcohol to modify one's mood. Alcohol consumption is rampant, and the use of such drugs is accepted and far from pejorative to one's character. Illegal drug use is similar to alcohol in pervasiveness, yet carries a negative social stigma. I find this curious.
My favorite quote from Lincoln,
"Prohibition goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded."
-Abraham Lincoln (1809-65) U.S. President.
Speech, 18 Dec. 1840, to Illinois House of Representatives
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The researchers asked two groups of experts — psychiatrists specializing in addiction and legal or police officials with scientific or medical expertise — to assign scores to 20 different drugs, including heroin, cocaine, ecstasy, amphetamines, and LSD.
Nutt and his colleagues then calculated the drugs' overall rankings. In the end, the experts agreed with each other, but not with the existing British classification of dangerous substances.
Heroin and cocaine were ranked most dangerous, followed by barbiturates and street methadone. Alcohol was the fifth-most harmful drug and tobacco the ninth most harmful. Cannabis came in 11th, and near the bottom of the list was ecstasy.
I grew up in the 60's (showing my age) and have tried many things short of coke and heroin (never wanted to really become addicted). Some time in college drugs became less attractive and I just quit (except the occasional drink). We all were quite concerned about being busted even for possession as it wasn't the equivalent of a traffic offense in those days.
The scare tactics used over the years have been quite amusing. The only truths, IMO, are that a very high percentage of heroin and other hard drug abusers started with weed. Does that mean that all who smoke pot will turn to harder drugs? Of course not, but some personalities are prone to addictive behaviors. The other truth is that MANY kids I knew who smoked a lot DID become extremely lazy and non-motivated to succeed in life except when it came to scoring weed.
Should be legalized IMO.
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I personally enforce the laws that surround "weed" and I do what I have to to arrest people whom violate those laws, rather it be possession of or sale/delivery of. And I will continue to do so to the best of my ability as long as the substance is illegal. Now, with that said....
I personally think they should legalize Marijuana and place it in the catagory with Alcohol. Alcohol damages the liver and other body functions and is abused more so by many. Marijuana effects the brain, and kills brain cells. Which for what it is worth, both in inappropriate intake can kill you. I personally would NOT take the habit of smoking pot up. I did it as Juvenile and didn't like it, I actually lost several life-long friends cause I chose not to, and not to hang out with them, and one of them went onto using speed and eventually overdosed on Cocaine. But yeah, they should legalize it, TAX the hell out of, and sell it in the form of cigaretts, for about $50 a pack, and use a portion of that money, along with the large sum of money already spent, to fight the Sale/Delivery and use of HARD drugs, such as Cocaine, Crack Cocaine, Meth, Heroin and etc. Marijuana is a soft drug, and the drugs that are really effecting and killing Americans and those that are just plain born into the situation is the hard drugs. I've never seen or had to deal with a "Pot" smoker out here burglarizing homes and businesses, or killing people, etc. They're usually at home watching television and eating.
Now, I still think that they should keep the personal sell of Marijuana illegal. It's illegal to sell Beer, and other alcoholic beverages without going through the proper channels. Like mentioned, it should fall under the same laws.
Why keep it illegal for personal sell of the item? Because the Crack and Coke dealers will still sell it too, and they will lace it with Cocaine to get those buyers hooked on those hard drugs, and yes, they do it all the time now and would do it more so because the stores would take the extra sell of Marijuana away from them so they would have to work harder at getting people hooked on Cocaine and or Crack and other hard drugs to keep their business of drug sales going.
People are going to do what they pretty much want anyway, and there are a lot of Pot smokers out there, yes, this wouldn't stop all the illegal activity with Marijuana, but it would take a large portion of those individuals out of the equasion that just want to go buy a 1/4 bag, afterwork and go home and relax. Most people don't realize that the Government is mostly after the "dealer" of these items anyway, it's just the user is usually used by the dealer for profit and by the system to get to the dealers. It's a no win situation for the user, and the Atty's for the dealers are the real winners.
That's my 2%.
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