Should US troops stay in Iraq?

[codenoid]

Well, I have to lead a debate agreeing that US troops should continue to stay in Iraw even though Saddam is no longer in power. We've thought of points like that the country is still very unstable, other countries also have their troops in there which wouldnt make it plausible for the US to just back out, etc.

Just was wondering what anybody elses opinion on the subject was whether they feel we should stay in or out, and why.

[marsolais]

Seeing I have been their I can say this! We need to pull all the troops back to kuwait and then start all over again.

[BadBoy1404]

Get The solly lama in here to own you all. JK but Yes i believe there is a necessity for them there to establish a democracy. It is not OUR job to establish it but we need to be there to aid the Iraqis in creating it. Just like the other day i heard there were 70 Iraqis in line at the police station for jobs and somebody bombed them. Iraqis want to create the democracy but we need to be there so we can allow them too.

[N-Ish]

Originally Posted by marsolais

Seeing I have been their I can say this! We need to pull all the troops back to kuwait and then start all over again.

+1....also been there. and agree...also think we need more help...
also shouldn't have been there in the first place.. but thats a whole different story...

[Chauncey]

My opinion....


On the geo-political landscape, you'll notice that throughout history when a country assists another in the liberation and establishment of freedom (Vietnam, Korea) and then backs out before that country is established, the chances of civil war increase dramatically. War is not a clean business and it is rarely, if ever, popular. Based on this, I think we should stay over there, if for no other reason than to be a prescence, until things calm down and Iraq is once again a stable country. The chances of retaliation from terrorists, trade sanctions from other countries, and other factors are just too glaring to ignore.

[BadBoy1404]

Originally Posted by Chauncey

My opinion....


On the geo-political landscape, you'll notice that throughout history when a country assists another in the liberation and establishment of freedom (Vietnam, Korea) and then backs out before that country is established, the chances of civil war increase dramatically.

What do you think will happen If/When John Kerry gets elected?????
Withdrawing out of a country we are at war with is a typical left side move cause then everybody can place blame on the previous president!!! hmmm

[Hagios]

That coin has two sides, Badboy.

I'm not a democrat. I'm not a republican. I can say this with a fair amount of detachment. Both parties have massive superiority complexes, and both are absolutely HELLBENT on keeping this country divided unless it's their side that wins. This is natural human instinct--I don't want to place fault on anyone. If the R's did something, the D's will undo it when they claim power and call it "better." Likewise, whatever the D's do, the R's will "fix."

Also--don't forget the last war we pulled out of was started by a Democrat, not a republican.

[bluesnowmonkey]

Chauncey, since you seem so well-read on the subject, how many instances from history could you cite in which a democracy was established through an occupation like we're doing in Iraq? Would Japan after WWII be one?

[750rider]

I think democracy is not the way it has been over there since before christ.
I think anything done by Americans is looked at with disgust.
not by all granted but by the ones that blow themselves & others up.
I think they might actually be the majority...?
as well as in other countries in the region....

I think the U.s should pull back to Turkey, Kuwait & Saudi..
where they succesfully stopped sadam from over running America with
crack Iraqi storm troopers for the 12yrs before this war

[Jason]

Originally Posted by marsolais

Seeing I have been their I can say this! We need to pull all the troops back to kuwait and then start all over again.

The man has a good point. Some may disagree, but it should be with a new president and an administration that has or takes time to come up with an exit strategy rather then scratching their chins. It's getting worse over there, not better.

[Jackal79]

We need to stay. If we leave now everything we've done there will be for nothing, and some other shit crazy dictator will take power.

[750rider]

Originally Posted by Jackal79

We need to stay. If we leave now everything we've done there will be for nothing, and some other shit crazy dictator will take power.

you could also say that if they stay...

they'll impose another shit crazy dictator like they did with saddam..

he was U.S backed & supported as he came to power..

so was Osama 4 that matter.

[blueyedevil]

Originally Posted by 750rider

you could also say that if they stay...

they'll impose another shit crazy dictator like they did with saddam..

he was U.S backed & supported as he came to power..

so was Osama 4 that matter.

You need to explain more?!?!

I'm not sure what your getting at here?

Are you saying the United States put those crazy fucks into power?

[750rider]

Originally Posted by blueyedevil

You need to explain more?!?!

I'm not sure what your getting at here?

Are you saying the United States put those crazy fucks into power?

blueyedevil propoganda works & the publics memory is short...

to answer your Q though: Yes, directly & indirectly...
Iran contra...? And the likes ...?

you know I think that if we really wanted to have a war on Terror
we shoul've attacked SAudi arabia where all the money & stuff
comes from....

to bad the bush family is in deep with them...

prince bandar is refered to as bandar bush...
here read: CBC

Arbusto energy ... one of Gw's 1st biz ventures
funded by Osamas half cousin ...

it really is surreal...


here some more mind blowing mental fodder...
what "people" are capable of...

1946-1974:
The Atomic Energy Commission authorized a series of experiments in which radioactive materials are given to individuals in many cases without being informed they were the subject of an experiment, and in some cases without any expectation of a positive benefit to the subjects, who were selected from vulnerable populations such as the poor, elderly, and mentally retarded children (who were fed radioactive oatmeal without the consent of their parents), and also from students at UC-San Francisco. In 1993, the experiments were uncovered and made public. In 1996, the United States settled with the survivors for 4.9 million dollars.

here
the above quote link .... seems to be against vaccines?
but just scroll through some of that ... "Tuskegee" for example...
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this picture IS NOT A P-CHOP! it is back in the late 70's eraly 80's
when Saddam was our buddy....& we did lots & lots of biz with him

*also theres a documnet floating about regarding a plan back in JFK's day
regarding Cuba. In it was a plan to shoot down U.s passenger aircraft with
soviet aquired weapons to make it look the cubans.
JFK sank that I think it got ok'd all the way up to the secratary of defence.?

[ASCI_Blue]

I agree pull out for now and restart with more allies. A pissed off world is a bad thing for the US even though many will claim we're the best trained, best equiped, best this, best that in the world.