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I tend to look at things in a logical format and being a programmer I tend to look at things in structured format. Meaning you can make it clear and concrete when to chase and when not. For instance:
Is it just a traffic violation, and you know nothing else about driver/vehicle then
Don't chase
Is it a murderer, stolen vehicle, serious crime committed commence chase.
is it rush hour, are you going through housing developments, is there any chance you will be running into large amounts of civilians if yes no chase if no then chase.
Cool. Then there will NEVER be another ticket written ever again, EVERYONE will run because, hey, the cops shouldnt chase anyone for something like that! THINK, in a structured format just what would happen if that were truly the case. Foresee any problems with your theory?
Sometimes the cop has no idea why the person is running. He very well could be a murderer, or it could be a stolen vehicle, etc.
As I said before, regardless of WHY someone runs, thier ACTION in doing so is in itself a danger to others.
And also, by your line of reasoning, if you are guilty of something serious, seek refuge in a crowded place, your home free.
I am a Civil Engineer, I too look at things with logic and in a structured format. I see both sides, you apprently see one.
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Cool. Then there will NEVER be another ticket written ever again, EVERYONE will run because, hey, the cops shouldnt chase anyone for something like that! THINK, in a structured format just what would happen if that were truly the case. Foresee any problems with your theory?
Sometimes the cop has no idea why the person is running. He very well could be a murderer, or it could be a stolen vehicle, etc.
As I said before, regardless of WHY someone runs, thier ACTION in doing so is in itself a danger to others.
And also, by your line of reasoning, if you are guilty of something serious, seek refuge in a crowded place, your home free.
I am a Civil Engineer, I too look at things with logic and in a structured format. I see both sides, you apprently see one.
ehhh yes and no. BUT I see people as inherently good people er go will stop when the lights come on. So that condition has already been satisfied. Its a lose, lose situation however there needs to be a clear cut chase and no chase policy.
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Now you should know that is virtually impossible. There are way too many variables to have a clear cut policy.
I dunno man you could prolly work through alot of those variables pretty fast. I know its pretty impossible, but there needs to be a better policy than what is now.
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thats not true, you have to wiegh the importance of the variables and one of them is that the police are a force. A group that at times needs to rely on the others "you can't outrun motorola" sort to speak. Plus the fact that police have the alblity to run your information. Granted this is based on plate info, but it is still an effective means.
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I dunno man you could prolly work through alot of those variables pretty fast. I know its pretty impossible, but there needs to be a better policy than what is now.
Well, the current policy is what it is and obviously some of us don't agree. And it sure as shit won't get solved here, that much is fact.
With that, I'm done wasting my time in this thread. We successfully beat another horse into a puddle of glue!
Williamson county deputy tried chasing a speeding Busa on highway Rt.13 going east towards marion, Illinois.. I was told told it happened around 2am and the cop clocked the busa at 202mph...
hhehehehh...some rider did a similar thing here last year. A 175 run through town after getting it out the shop. Guy got caught at a red light when he stopped. Told the cops he just wanted to make sure it was up to par since he just got it out the shop.
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1st of all, MeanMachine, you need to calm the fuck down. Seriously. This is a debate, not a baby shouting contest.
2nd of all, I know it's a bad thing, but your view is very one way and biased. I know you had a loved one at the wrong place at the wrong time, but the fact of the matter is that your view is skewed because of the terrible events that has happened in your life. We all can't get away from it, we are all biased in one way or another. We are all human, mostly... hopefully...
3rd, It's hard for a police officer to gauge a sitation on whether a chase is deemed appropriate on the fact of chasing people because of either tickets or serious crimes. They don't know who is driving the vehicle. It could be a little old lady who ran a stop sign or the uni-bomber in a similar vehicle. I can see why cops chase everyone, and they should up to a point. Lately, there's a thing called a radio... it's a useful tool... If they can't get you, then call it in and try to get other cops to. May not sound simple, but cops have a vast amount of resources in their hands by calling it in.
One thing is that I know cops are doing their job, but honestly, I stop every time when I see blue lights go up. If I don't, it's probably because I haven't seen it yet. Last year, I was speeding a bit on the highway in traffic. I was chased from 40 to cary parkway before I realized I was even being chased. The officer went right beside of me and I got quite scared. I pulled my clutch and started to pull over and slow down. The officer thought I was down shifting to make a getaway so he forcefully pushed me off the road to an almost immediate stop. I had to do a fast emergency braking at high speed with him 2 inches in front of me of where I was sliding on both tires going sideways and hoped that I didn't die. Because of that situation, I was out of it, I didn't respond to the cop well, was shaking out of control. The cop gives me a 20 min long speech and see's how shaken I was and lets me off with a warning. I really haven't done crazy shit in traffic like that since.
There's a time and place to open it up, traffic and in town isn't one of them.
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2nd of all, I know it's a bad thing, but your view is very one way and biased. I know you had a loved one at the wrong place at the wrong time, but the fact of the matter is that your view is skewed because of the terrible events that has happened in your life. We all can't get away from it, we are all biased in one way or another. We are all human, mostly... hopefully...
holy shit seriously? I could see why you would be so passionate about such a subject if that was true.
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I think most cops should stop acting like dicks when they stop bike riders. I know on more than one occasion of where I'd pull over and cop tells me he could throw the book at me on some trump up charges on top of the current citation, or tells me an incident of where he was chasing a bike and got away...
I don't care what happened X amount of years ago involving X bike, I don't care if you want to charge X amount of citations, but to say it in a smug voice like "nah nah nah nah naaaaah, I caught you like a hillbilly on moonshine..." that attitude just pisses me off all the time.
I did have one time where a police stopped me and thanked me for stopping. That made the whole process smoother because he was polite, even though he did give me a ticket. Don't matter, I was in the wrong and he wasn't an asshole. I won't be an asshole back or fight the system.
Perhaps, they should reward violators who do stop for simple traffic violations, such as a reduce court cost or something, specially for bikes, cause that could reduce the amount of chases. But then again, like of all things, some asshole wants to prove something, takes advantage of the system and ruin it for the rest of us.
