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Old 12-05-2012, 10:05 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Is short..... Yes.
You wouldn't rely on power to make up for the mistakes you make. You can focus more times on your riding lines and less on throttle/clutch/brake input. It sounds kinda weird to a non-Rider but no professional racer got the job because he could slam the gas peddle down on the straights.

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I see you're from PA. Check out Rider insurance, as it is available here. They had the lowest insurance rates by far of any of the insurance companies I got quotes from.

I also suggest a used 250. If you buy it used for a decent price you can reasonably expect to most of your money back when you sell it (assuming you don't beat it up too badly). I bought a used 2008 Ninja 250 for $2500. I had it a year and rode it for a bit under 15,000 miles then sold it for $2600. It was an easy sell too. It sold within days of me listing it.
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How do I fianace a used bike. I've never looked into it.
You're more than welcome to do what you want, but I strongly recommend you don't finance expendable toys. The cons far outweight the pros.

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I might just get it in my fathers name so insurance would be underneath him and I'd be a secondary rider.
"Secondary rider"? I also strongly recommend you don't commit insurance fraud.



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I financed my used I had.... I'm just really lucky both the crashes I had didn't do any frame damage.

If you do end up financing a used bike get full insurance and a crash cage/race rails. They offer the most crash protection. The race rails I had were $160ish and I could just lay my bike down in a parking lot because I didn't feel like putting the kick stand down and there would be $0 damage to it (see attached photo) frame sliders would do the same thing but the rails seemed like they could take a harder hit (never tried it tho). Like everyone has said your welcome to do what you want I just don't recommend financing a used bike. Put the extra money into gear.
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You're more than welcome to do what you want, but I strongly recommend you don't finance expendable toys. The cons far outweight the pros.


"Secondary rider"? I also strongly recommend you don't commit insurance fraud.



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I live at home and commute to college so it isn't exactly insurance fraud my insurance agent was the one who suggested it.


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Ok I guess I need to explain why I can't get a used bike, might be sort of a long post sorry. So since I live with my parents still they do have a say in what I buy, my mother is the one who isn't letting me my a used bike 1. She wants it to have a warranty (bad experience on a few different bikes and cars in the first few months of owning them) 2. She doesn't understand it is gonna get dropped.(she was a rider herself a long time ago so I'm not sure why she doesn't understand this.) 3. She just has this thing against used stuff.
4. I don't really have a say since I still live there.
5. If it is used it has to be from the dealer same reason as #1
so I don't want you to think I'm arguing, I completely understand where you guys are all coming from, when they got me a car the same thing happened. Hopefully that makes sense to everyone I know as crazy as it sounds. Also if no one buys the new beginner bikes who is gonna be there to sell them to new riders?


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So what you're saying is your mom isn't in touch with reality?

Well that's kind of assumed


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Gman5001, years ago when I bought my first bike on my own my father was very insisting on the "new" bike thing. To me it didn't make sense, and to be honest, it ultimately doesn't make sense today either, but his point was that I would get something new with a warranty, and that gave him some peace of mind, since I didn't know much about working on motorcycles. This would also mean I would HAVE to take it to the dealer for services, instead of ruining something on my own (we lived in different countries back then).

It also meant that for my money I would be finding a very small bike (125cc, about 12hp).

What did I do? I agreed to start on something this small, even though I'd ridden and raced enduro and motocross since I'm a little kid. BUT I did thorough research on the models available, chose the optimum one in my context, and went searching for a barely used bike which he could help me look at in person. That's it. Saved a few hundred dollars and everyone was happy. Oh, and the bike's warranty was transferred to me.

But most of all, I learnt how to manage myself on the street on a motorcycle that wasn't trying to kill me at every corner, learnt to have fun and ride around the bike's limitations, and today, several years later I feel confident in being able to ride my "big" bike
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I guess if that's how you wanna view it. I guess I should make it clear that my parent are buying me the bike (I was trying to imply it without saying that because I didn't wanna come off as that kid who gets everything)


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I live at home and commute to college so it isn't exactly insurance fraud my insurance agent was the one who suggested it.


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If your parents are buying you the bike and they insist on buying used, who are you to argue?

In this case, get the new Ninja 300. We need some feedback here on this bike!
I do see your point with insurance I never really looked into the whole secondary thing I just was gonna go with the flow. Can I be the primary rider if the bike isn't in my name. And at least now someone understands my whole new used issue.


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I do see your point with insurance I never really looked into the whole secondary thing I just was gonna go with the flow. Can I be the primary rider if the bike isn't in my name. And at least now someone understands my whole new used issue.


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There's no problem with being the primary rider if it's under your parents' name. It happens all the time with teenage drivers and cars bought for them by their parents.

Since you're talking to your insurance agent, I can assume you haven't looked into Rider insurance. You should seriously get a quote from them. You may find that your own policy with them would be cheaper than a fraudulent secondary rider quote from your insurer. It may not save you any money, but it's quick and easy to get a quote. You can get a pretty accurate quote in five minutes online. Motorcycle Insurance: Rider Insurance, Motorcycle Insurance for New Jersey, Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Indiana, Maryland

In your case, I don't think your new/used issue is actually an issue.
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There's no problem with being the primary rider if it's under your parents' name. It happens all the time with teenage drivers and cars bought for them by their parents.

Since you're talking to your insurance agent, I can assume you haven't looked into Rider insurance. You should seriously get a quote from them. You may find that your own policy with them would be cheaper than a fraudulent secondary rider quote from your insurer. It may not save you any money, but it's quick and easy to get a quote. You can get a pretty accurate quote in five minutes online. Motorcycle Insurance: Rider Insurance, Motorcycle Insurance for New Jersey, Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Indiana, Maryland

In your case, I don't think your new/used issue is actually an issue.
I have been under the impression riders was more if your younger and with State Farm I get huge discounts since we have a home car truck trailer with them
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I have been under the impression riders was more if your younger and with State Farm I get huge discounts since we have a home car truck trailer with them
You can go by your uniformed impression... Or you could spend five minutes and find out. We can only spoon feed you for so long until you've got to do your own homework.
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You can go by your uniformed impression... Or you could spend five minutes and find out. We can only spoon feed you for so long until you've got to do your own homework.
Ill check into it more after I check into State Farm. So what should I do to become a skillful rider. Where should I start.


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