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Old 11-29-2012, 08:42 PM   #16 (permalink)
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If you've raced motocross, then you've watched a grown adult get hurt screwing around on a 65. GSXR's are to new street riders what 65's are to motocross racers.

I think if you're racing a modern four stroke, you'll probably be bored of a Ninja 250 in no time. That said, I'm always one to preach its your first bike, not your last. But if that's a bit more time than you care to take, I would at least look for a bike with a steel frame.

Though you'll probably not want to hear it, you should consider a DRZ400sm. It's slow and it's a pig, but it's a lot of fun. It'll definitely ease the transition to sportbike riding.
I first off want to say thank you all for all the input, I greatly appreciate it.

The reason I was looking at the gsx-r 750 is because I will be able to use it for a long time. I've always thought it made more sense to buy what you'll want down the road as opposed to something cheaper to start with, lower over all financial investment that way.


I'm hearing that the 750 is far too much power for a first time owner. So would it be a smart move to get a gsx-r600, or would a sv650 suffice?

I want the ability to put the bike exactly where I want it and have complete control, and I know you can do that with a gsx-r. I don't want a grand tourer, I don't want a commuter, I want a sport bike that doesn't mess around. Would something like the sv650 be able to keep that standard? If not, what bikes would you all recommend?

Again, thanks for all the input guys, I really do appreciate it. I hope you all have a great evening!

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I first off want to say thank you all for all the input, I greatly appreciate it.

The reason I was looking at the gsx-r 750 is because I will be able to use it for a long time. I've always thought it made more sense to buy what you'll want down the road as opposed to something cheaper to start with, lower over all financial investment that way.


I'm hearing that the 750 is far too much power for a first time owner. So would it be a smart move to get a gsx-r600, or would a sv650 suffice?

I want the ability to put the bike exactly where I want it and have complete control, and I know you can do that with a gsx-r. I don't want a grand tourer, I don't want a commuter, I want a sport bike that doesn't mess around. Would something like the sv650 be able to keep that standard? If not, what bikes would you all recommend?

Again, thanks for all the input guys, I really do appreciate it. I hope you all have a great evening!



No offense taken, I can definitely understand that you'll probably get bored of questions like this. I'm a huge computer guy and I know they get boring quick, but it is definitely a cycle, and in my opinion it promotes new users to stay.

You're looking at it from the perspective that you'd like to buy a bike that you'll use down the road. However, you really don't know what you'll want in a bike down the road. At this present moment, with no street bike experience, you think that a GSXR 750 is what you'll want for a long time. You may find this to be true, or you may find that you're drawn to a different type of bike.

It makes sense to start on something cheaper, and once you put a few miles on it and figure out what you like/dislike about that bike, then buy something that you want to hold onto for longer. With your dirt background, which sounds pretty extensive (assuming you're not exaggerating), maybe a 500 or 650 would be a better choice for you for a first bike than say a 250.

Have you priced insurance on a GSXR 750 (or 600 for that matter)? At 21 years old, that might change your mind REAL quickly. You'll likely be able to put full coverage on a 250/500/650 for less than you can get minimum liability on a 600/750 SS, assuming comparable years.
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IMHO a super sport is a bit much for a 1st time street bike rider but despite what others say having riding experience helps a TON, at least it did for me. You'll already have the fundamental survival reactions you need to have that get you out of the scary moments where beginners fall on their face. You'll just over time learn how to apply them best for riding on pavement.

That said I would suggest something like a SV650. It's a great bike on the street (I owned and rode one for years). Plus considering you are coming from a racing background so I assume you are one to eventually hit up the racetrack on a road bike. So when you get bored of riding the street you can take the SV650 to the track with a few minor upgrades. It makes for a excellent track bike.
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Ok..... Here we go...

A beginner 250 or 500 will prob sell for close if not the same you bought it for. Back in 09 I bought a '96 ninja 500r. The thing looked disgusting. Bad paint, both forks leaked, bad tires, chain, seat was torn, needed rear wheel bearing, and everything adjusted. So I picked up the hunk for 1k. After one year I fixed everything on the bike. Paint and seat I did with a buddy of mine $100 for parts, paint and the paint gun, $200 for the forks, tires, chain. Then spent $30 for a heater in my garage and read about a thousand forums on how to adjust and set everything up right. So that's $1330 in parts, labor, accessories and what not. Add 10k miles to the bike over the course of a year and I sold it for $1700 full asking price with in 2 days of posting it.

The part about buying for the future is gona land you face down in a ditch. The same reason your parents didn't buy for a corvette to drive as a first car.
The same reason why a first year dirt bike rider has no business on a cr500. They can't control the bike. Keep in mind that a 2004 750 stock runs the same quarter miles time as a Ferrari Enzo (unless my info is all wrong) and no I haven't raced a Enzo (got the info from the Internet.... And the Internet never lies).

Pretty much everyone is going to give you the same advice. Small starter bike that isn't brand new. New riders drop bikes. It happens to the best of us regardless of experience or skill. Think about how long it took for to drop your dirt bike..... Like a whole 3 minutes.

After you get a small starter bike and get some real riding experience, then upgrade to the 750. And anyone that tells you not to get a 250 or 500 has never crashed hard.

Best of luck, ride safe.

PS- face planting the ground at 30mph after flying 20ft.....really.....really......really sucks.
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If you buy a starter bike right, you can ride it for free for a long time, even dropping it. The same can't be said of the GSXR750. Generally speaking they just keep dropping and dropping in value and every bump and bruise accelerates their depreciation.
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I have owned an FZ1 which is on par with the SV1000, a little faster, and now own a Tuono 1000R which is even faster. Let me just say I have ridden an 11 GSXR750 and it felt faster and harder to ride than both of those bikes, so it may not be the best idea as a first street bike.

However with your dirt experience I think you'll not be happy with a 250 for long. I'd recommend you look for a 650 twin, like an SV or Ninja, or the FZR600, or a ZZR 600. You can find these bikes relatively cheap and they will keep you entertained for a long time. Plus insurance is a lot cheaper than a supersport.

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^^ +1

If I were in your shoes I'd go for a sv650, 650r (the new ones are sexy as fuck too .. although most would argue a new bike is a poor first bike choice) or a not-so-crazy-and-aggressive 600cc (fz6, fz6r, older 600s, etc).

If you wanna be really smart about it I think you should get a slightly used 2011 650R (which still looks awesome IMO) and ride the wheels off it for a fraction of the price. This way you have something that's both new, not so expensive and a great match for your skill set. Keep in mind people race these things so no, you will not be bored with it.

But just so I blend in before I get skinned alive - 250 or you D I E!

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Why are we getting so many special snowflakes at the end of the riding season?


I have an idea, I'll get a KTM 500 XC‑W for my first dirt bike! I've been riding street for a while, and my SV has twice as much power, I'll be fine on the wimpy KTM!
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I have an idea, I'll get a KTM 500 XC‑W for my first dirt bike! I've been riding street for a while, and my SV has twice as much power, I'll be fine on the wimpy KTM!
When you put it that way.......... yeah.................. 750 is probably better left for later on, after you get some real street experience. LOL

Look at it this way, the less power you start on, even a 250, the better street rider it makes you because you really have to learn the lines and how to handle the bike before you rely on power to catch up after a mistake.
If you want a new bike, Ninja 300 looks nice as F**K and MSRP only $4799. There will be ppl already selling used soon so you get it cheaper, almost brand new, learn and go hard, sell and move on to the 750!
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If I were in your shoes I'd go for a sv650, 650r (the new ones are sexy as fuck too .. although most would argue a new bike is a poor first bike choice) or a not-so-crazy-and-aggressive 600cc (fz6, fz6r, older 600s, etc).

If you wanna be really smart about it I think you should get a slightly used 2011 650R (which still looks awesome IMO) and ride the wheels off it for a fraction of the price. This way you have something that's both new, not so expensive and a great match for your skill set. Keep in mind people race these things so no, you will not be bored with it.

But just so I blend in before I get skinned alive - 250 or you D I E!


I just looked at the 650r and I have to say I believe I found my bike. I drive a new Mustang, so I was slightly concerned about going for a "lower end" bike as I wanted it to be noticeably quicker than my car. The 650r gets great mpg, does 0-60 in sub 4 seconds, and will not (apparently) eat me alive like a gsx-r will.

I suppose I will clear up my motocross background. I'm no professional, I ride two yamaha bikes, a YZ450 and a TTR 230. The 230 was my first bike and is still a ton of fun to toy around on, especially at sprawling ORV parks where the low end torque is useful in hill climbing. I have done events on and off for the past 3-4 years and have been riding my entire life. Like I said, first real race was in BMX at the age of 4 where I was competing with 7-10 year olds, and I have been hooked every since. I've been into motorsport my entire life and can't wait until I have a sport bike.

Besides what has already been suggested, anything I should cross-shop with a 650r?


*Note: I just wanted to say I don't think I'm a "special snowflake" and I'm sorry you think that. I am no longer in touch with my father, and none of my friends ride, but I wanted others personal input and this seems to be the way to go. You should all be proud noobs like me come to your forum. That means people want your input, value your input, and actively seek YOUR input; and in my opinion, that means something. Thank you all for your continued help.

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You can cross shop Suzuki SV 650 or Yamaha FZR600 which is a 4 cylinder, or even old Ducati Monster 600s if you can find one in your price range. Honda has a new 500 coming out but there wont be any used ones out.

And welcome to the forum, I apologize for some of my constituents here who made dick comments instead of being helpful, we get a lot of trolls here who pop up and ask this question and them start arguments. And hey, it's the internet...

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Although many people make a valid point in this thread nobody knows you and your impulse control like you do. If you can truly say you wont be swayed by peer pressure and think your hot shit then i say go for it. I have seen as many people start on 250 as i have on 600 and liter bikes. Most are mature and sane people wiht nothing t prove. and no starter class has had a lion share of accidents. I also started on dirt bikes so shifting and clutching was a non issue. Get the 750. make sure you do the MSF ( can save your life) and take it easy. In the end most people get killed by turning cars and other shenanningans. Just be cool and everytime you swing a leg over your bike sit for a few seconds and contemplate what you are about to do.

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I believe we have a few members out your way. Try to hook up with a few of them and do some group rides.

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I'm with seatech. If you KNOW you can control the impulse to twist that wrist then you can go ahead with a bigger bike. I started on a CBR 600 F3 and my ex, then girlfriend, started on a CBR 929. We didn't lay those bikes down or got into trouble even though we rode twisties and hauled ass because we were smart about it. The first time I opened the taps on that 600 I knew that it was something that I had to respect immensely or it would kill my ass and I have lived by that motto through today. As a motocrosser what is going to get you into trouble is opening the throttle in a corner. You'll be able to handle the power and straight line speed no problem and your ability to handle the controls will be fine, but if you ride like you do on dirt and try to open her up mid corner you'll lay that sucker down in a hurry.

If you don't think you have the self control to not go balls out and you need to learn on something that will govern you, get a SV650. I have and love one and I'm keeping it as a second bike even while getting a R1. Skip the 250 class, you'll just get bored of it almost instantly. If you have the self control, get a 600. That's not going to be a bike you outgrow. You might eventually want a literbike or bigger but that is going to be a matter of taste just like there's guys who prefer a 250 2T to a 450 4T or whatever on the dirt. Neither is too small, they're just a matter of preference.
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Why does everyone get tired of a 250? Every time I ride one I still enjoy it. I enjoyed it much more then my 750.
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