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Old 05-09-2011, 08:26 AM   #1 (permalink)
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This isn't about me i just wanted to have an open discussion about this bike because yamahas dont get talked about muh here besides the R1 and here in camp pendleton, Ca everyone is sayin that the R6 is the best startin bike. i personally know its not but others might not.
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Uh...HELL NO. Short of a Liter bike, an R-6 is about the worst starter bike there is. It is a track/canyon weapon. Great bike for an experienced rider though. Supersports are not for beginners, it is the equivalent of sticking a beginner pilot in an F-18 and telling them to go fly. Tell them to read the stickies.
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I am very confused. Why would we want to talk about the pros/cons of the R6 as a starter bike when the answer is "No"? There are no pros, only cons, so its a pretty short discussion.

If you just want a discussion of the pros/cons of the bike in general, post this in the Yamaha subforum, or in General Sportbikes, not New Riders.
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Well i was trying to have something said about yamahas because when i tell newer riders or want to be riders about this site and they look they go, "oh well they said this and that about ninjas and SV so they sound like a bunch of suzuki and kawasaki fanatics. they must not realize how great the R6 is." Hell even one of my new co-workers was telling me to drop my ninja and get an R6 cuz its the best overall, short of an R1.

Another reason i post here is because a lot of talk goes about buying a first bike used but if u look, there are more Abundant R6's then there are Ninja 250,s 650s, and SV's combined especially around here. Sure the price is up an extra 2-3 grande but to have a more exotic look, power and to be like what everyone else has... u know peer pressure gets to ppl.
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My guess is that if a particular person is not smart enough to read the stickies and take the advice given there, one thread extolling all the reasons an R6 is not a good starter bike will not make a difference. Also, if they are the kind of person that puts such stock in what their douchebag friends think, there's not a whole hell of a lot we can do for them.

And last I checked, there are some Yamahas on the "decent starter bike" list. The FZ6R comes to mind. The answer on the R6 is "no." It always has been and always will be. All the talking about it in the world won't change that.
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Thats another thing i been meaning to ask, what is the difference between the R6 and the FZ6R? A lot of times i just want to assume its the same bike (ignorance i know).
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Go here: Family Feud: Yamaha FZ6R vs. YZF-R6

No sense re-inventing the wheel. Basically, R6= race bike and FZ6R = more relaxed, less power street bike.

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So because it is not made by Suzuki, Kawasaki or Honda it makes it a better starter bike? they are all the same bikes different names. when you become a professional racer, yes one of the 4 bikes will suit YOU better.
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Everything that makes the R6 a great sport bike makes it a terrible first bike. In the very capable hands of an experienced sport bike rider the R6 is lightning fast, incredible steering, great brakes, does EVERYTHING you tell it to do when you tell it to. None of those things are very good for a beginning rider, some of them are downright deadly for a beginning rider.
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About any magazine you read will say that out of the 600 the R6 is the most track oriented...It is a track machine...the cbr are known to be the most" forgiven" of the bunch... It has already been said, but any 600 is a bad idea.
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Well i was trying to have something said about yamahas because when i tell newer riders or want to be riders about this site and they look they go, "oh well they said this and that about ninjas and SV so they sound like a bunch of suzuki and kawasaki fanatics. they must not realize how great the R6 is." Hell even one of my new co-workers was telling me to drop my ninja and get an R6 cuz its the best overall, short of an R1.

Another reason i post here is because a lot of talk goes about buying a first bike used but if u look, there are more Abundant R6's then there are Ninja 250,s 650s, and SV's combined especially around here. Sure the price is up an extra 2-3 grande but to have a more exotic look, power and to be like what everyone else has... u know peer pressure gets to ppl.

Peer Pressure...yeah, Lemmings experience that too. Like them, it doesn't often end well when new riders are pressured into buying too much bike for them. So...lets take this reasonably with some explanations...

You will see a lot of R-6's around here because you will see a lot of EXPERIENCED riders around here. Guys who have been thru their beginner stages and probably intermediate stages. They have miles, they have training, they have track time.

Are there some who started on R-6's? Probably, but it takes a LOT more time to get good at riding when you ride a bike which is way beyond your capabilities. Take two riders of equal talent but brand new. Put one on a Ninja 250R, one on an R-6. Come back in 6 months and compare skill levels. Chance are the 250R rider will be a much better rider as his bike allowed him to advance his skill set safely. If the goal is to become a good rider, then the choice of bike should be the one which allows this to happen quickly. Just as a training aircraft is more mellow and allows a beginning pilot to quickly gain confidence and skill...versus putting somebody new in an advanced aircraft where they are always "behind the plane". COULD, they master it? Sure, but it will take a LOT longer and the chances of failure are much greater.

You will see a lot of R-6 track bikes because...well...how do you get a good deal on a dedicated track bike? Simple. Buy a casualty. Newbies buy them, wreck them and they are available cheap to turn into a dedicated track day bike. Money in the pocket! Buying a bike with a salvage title is no big deal if it is a dedicated track bike.

Why NOT an R-6? An R-6 is highly twitchy and inherently a bit less stable. Like a fighter airplane, that degree of instability makes it turn VERY rapidly, ideal for a track/racing bike where you want something that flicks from side to side very rapidly. An experienced rider will instinctively compensate for the twitchiness. But, this is absolutely terrible for a beginner who doesn't know how to handle the fast reactions.

It has a narrow powerband at the top which hits hard. On the track where you are in the upper revs, that is desirable, it is the rev range where you are going to be anyways. The experienced rider has good throttle control and knows how to be light on the controls. On the street with a beginning rider, that is the absolute last thing you want. It is...wait...wait...wait...shit Shit SHIT!!!! As a beginner, you are ham-fisted. Grab a handful of throttle in a panic, the results can be that you'll loop it, freeze and run into something hard and painful, or high-side out of a corner. By the way, you want the ideal bike to train for an R-6? Ninja 250R also turns like crazy (because it is so light and narrow....though it is stable), has a nice hit above 8K and likes revving. That is why you'll see so many 250R track bikes.

The R-6 has very potent, highly sensitive brakes...again ideal for a track bike with an experienced rider where you know how to properly squeeze the brakes at the end of a straight with one or two fingers. Grabbing a big handful of brakes in a panic on an R-6 with a new rider? This leads to a search for replacement body panels.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the R-6 (other than it is not very comfortable to me). It is a tool designed for a purpose and does that purpose VERY well. But it is not designed to learn on.

The FZ6R. Yamaha markets it as a "beginner bike". I suspect they do that because they don't MAKE a low to the ground beginner sport bike. Other than the TW-200 (which is a Hoot!) and the V-Star 250 which is a cruiser style, Yamaha mostly makes larger bikes. The FZ6R is an Intermediate bike in my book, others will disagree. It has an I-4 which has more power up top. Not to be confused with the earlier model FZ-6 which had the older R-6 motor with nearly 100HP, it is one of the more mellow I-4's. It is wide and even thought the seat is 31.9" high, that width makes it more difficult to get your feet flat on the ground for an average sized rider.

WHY all the Kawasaki and Suzuki Recommendation? Beginner bikes are best when they have a wide, flat powerband with some torque that makes them easier to get going. That is what a twin cylinder motor delivers. That is why you will see experienced riders recommending Ninjas and Suzukis...they are TWINS. Twins are also narrower, which makes them easier to handle at parking lot speeds (more likely to get both feet down). Yamaha doesn't make a twin. Honda now has the CBR-250R which is unquestionably a great beginner bike, but it is a new model. You won't find them used out there...yet. Buying a beginner bike new isn't always recommended...though SOMEBODY has to buy them.
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I know a marine who thought a gszr 750 would make a great first bike. A few weeks later he came into a turn that he should have easily been able to handle but he was trying to keep up with his buddy who was riding way past this guys skill level and he lowsided into a guardrail and lost complete use of his right arm. After many surgeries to try to save his arm they finally amputated it above the elbow a few months ago. If your friends call you a pussy or give you shit for not starting on an SS bike then they truely are not your friends.
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