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Old 05-09-2011, 07:37 PM   #16 (permalink)
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heh, were you expecting some other kind of reaction?

On a side note, Murrieta huh? You part of the local sport bike group?
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Tell your new riding friends to meet me at the track. After they pull a few laps on my bike and realize that riding a bike fast is a lot harder then it looks, maybe they will take all the racers in the pits seriously when everyone recommends something smaller then a 600.

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I dont understand why any of you think that an R6 isnt a good starter bike... i own an 02 R6 that i bought from a girl (who by the way is 5'5" 125lbs soakin wet with her boots on) and i love it, i also have a Repsol and my baby which is a ducati 848 , and my first bike was a GSXR 750... as long as you respect the bike you can learn on almost anything.... nowadays with these new bikes like the CBR RR 1000 that you can electronically adjust the power to perform like a 600 i think more people should look into that route, because 9 outa 10 people who bought themselves a 600 for thwir first bike got bored of it after a year. I agree that the R6 Is a beast of a 600 (with the right rider) you can easily hang with the big boys... i have a little work done to it and i have smoked 750's with no problem. All i have done to jt is that sprockets (low end) and full exhaust, jetted card, and of course the best mod of all... ME RIDING IT. I have taken it to the track and it has never ceased to amaze me just how great that bike rides. So in my opinion GO FOR IT ! dont listen to these guys they sound like over protective moms telling there kid he cant have a BB gun cuz he'll shoot his eye out (you'll shoot your eye out! Ahh classic) just learn how to ride slowly and be confident yet cautious. Then when your comfortable riding spend some time at the track and I promise you that you will learn how to make a 600 or a 750 have that bike doing what its designed to do!!!
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I dont understand why any of you think that an R6 isnt a good starter bike... i own an 02 R6 that i bought from a girl (who by the way is 5'5" 125lbs soakin wet with her boots on) and i love it, i also have a Repsol and my baby which is a ducati 848 , and my first bike was a GSXR 750... as long as you respect the bike you can learn on almost anything.... nowadays with these new bikes like the CBR RR 1000 that you can electronically adjust the power to perform like a 600 i think more people should look into that route, because 9 outa 10 people who bought themselves a 600 for thwir first bike got bored of it after a year. I agree that the R6 Is a beast of a 600 (with the right rider) you can easily hang with the big boys... i have a little work done to it and i have smoked 750's with no problem. All i have done to jt is that sprockets (low end) and full exhaust, jetted card, and of course the best mod of all... ME RIDING IT. I have taken it to the track and it has never ceased to amaze me just how great that bike rides. So in my opinion GO FOR IT ! dont listen to these guys they sound like over protective moms telling there kid he cant have a BB gun cuz he'll shoot his eye out (you'll shoot your eye out! Ahh classic) just learn how to ride slowly and be confident yet cautious. Then when your comfortable riding spend some time at the track and I promise you that you will learn how to make a 600 or a 750 have that bike doing what its designed to do!!!
This is why we should have a minimum of x number of years or something to be able to post in the New Rider forum.

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I dont really understand what u mean? Im not allowed to participate in a conversation? Why? Because i havent been a part of the forum for long enough? Ill tell u what i may bot be a long time member but i AM a long time rider and isnt that what we are here for? To talk about riding? Look if u dont like what i said it costs you nothing ... pay me no mind. If u do then lets talk and all the new riders in here in the Brooklyn area (or nyc period) let me know if you need help learning how to ride on ANY bike you feel comfortable on. So slap yourself in the face, let me live im not telling u what to speak about and how, so dont worry about what im talkin about

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here in camp pendleton, Ca everyone is sayin that the R6 is the best startin bike..

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I dont really understand what u mean? Im not allowed to participate in a conversation? Why? Because i havent been a part of the forum for long enough? Ill tell u what i may bot be a long time member but i AM a long time rider and isnt that what we are here for? To talk about riding? Look if u dont like what i said it costs you nothing ... pay me no mind. If u do then lets talk and all the new riders in here in the Brooklyn area (or nyc period) let me know if you need help learning how to ride on ANY bike you feel comfortable on. So slap yourself in the face, let me live im not telling u what to speak about and how, so dont worry about what im talkin about
yes yhou can speak what you will- it's the beauty of a forum. But you just handed out some really awful advice. And that's the last thing new riders need.

And no thanks- I don't need any help learning how to ride. I know how to ride- but thanks for the offer. Plus- I don't particularly think riding in Brooklyn is my style. cause- that's commuting- not riding.
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yes yhou can speak what you will- it's the beauty of a forum. But you just handed out some really awful advice. And that's the last thing new riders need.

And no thanks- I don't need any help learning how to ride. I know how to ride- but thanks for the offer. Plus- I don't particularly think riding in Brooklyn is my style. cause- that's commuting- not riding.
I live in Brooklyn, but i go riding all over. I go upstate, i go to CT, long island. Ive done the whole east coast including that place in i believe it was NC called dragons tail or something like that.. THAT was fun as hell its something like 430 curves over around 11 miles! (Its been like 5 yrs i dont remember the exact distance and curves, but its very well known)... im sorry if you feel that its bad advice, i just think that spending 2-3k on a 250cc or even more on a less sporty 600 is a big investment for something you'll be bored of in a few months (a year tops if you actuallh ride. I ride year round ive been out most of the day already and its pretty cold in NY today. But to each his own... again i learned on an old Gsxr 750 (A 93) and i just took it easy and got the hang of it and then i still had a bike i could have fun with. I put around 25k miles on it and i sold it to a guy who made it a track bike and i made my money back. 250's are hard to sell. Theres one in my neighborhood for sale for 2250 and its been there for months. I dunno maybe youre right there are a lot of people i see everyday tha dont belong on a bicycle let alone a sport bike. So i guess im talking about someone who has the coordination to ride, and sharp enough of a mind to know their limits. Anyway thats just my opinion
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I live in Brooklyn, but i go riding all over. I go upstate, i go to CT, long island. Ive done the whole east coast including that place in i believe it was NC called dragons tail or something like that.. THAT was fun as hell its something like 430 curves over around 11 miles! (Its been like 5 yrs i dont remember the exact distance and curves, but its very well known)... im sorry if you feel that its bad advice, i just think that spending 2-3k on a 250cc or even more on a less sporty 600 is a big investment for something you'll be bored of in a few months (a year tops if you actuallh ride. I ride year round ive been out most of the day already and its pretty cold in NY today. But to each his own... again i learned on an old Gsxr 750 (A 93) and i just took it easy and got the hang of it and then i still had a bike i could have fun with. I put around 25k miles on it and i sold it to a guy who made it a track bike and i made my money back. 250's are hard to sell. Theres one in my neighborhood for sale for 2250 and its been there for months. I dunno maybe youre right there are a lot of people i see everyday tha dont belong on a bicycle let alone a sport bike. So i guess im talking about someone who has the coordination to ride, and sharp enough of a mind to know their limits. Anyway thats just my opinion
Dude you live in NYC. Your rent is $1000/month at a minimum. The depreciation and search costs of a Ninja 250 or Ninja 500 are half a month's rent at the most.

IMHO it's worth the $500 to start small. Chalk it up to riding skill and reduced risk, and then move onto a bigger bike as a more experienced rider.

I do have the view that a Ninja 250 does not fully teach you the throttle control that a 600cc bike requires. 30 HP to 95 HP is a big jump. But you learn cornering, you learn how to deal with traffic (particularly in NYC), and you learn some of the aspects of throttle control. On the 600cc bike, you are now free to focus on other stuff.

I am of the view that NYC riders have a different experience than the rest of the country. Instead of wide open roads, we have taxi cabs forcing us out of our lanes. Instead of learning to take curves with skill and grace, we learn to lane split and find our way around the assholes blocking our way towards a fast entrance to the Queens-Midtown tunnel. More conservativism is required for cornering due to the traffic.

Brooklyn/NYC/Urban NJ riding is waay different from the rest of the country. I don't advocate starting on a 600cc bike, but it might have been easier for you to get away with it in the city- things might have been different if you were learning to ride in California.

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Dude you live in NYC. Your rent is $1000/month at a minimum. The depreciation and search costs of a Ninja 250 or Ninja 500 are half a month's rent at the most.

IMHO it's worth the $500 to start small. Chalk it up to riding skill and reduced risk, and then move onto a bigger bike as a more experienced rider.

I do have the view that a Ninja 250 does not fully teach you the throttle control that a 600cc bike requires. 30 HP to 95 HP is a big jump. But you learn cornering, you learn how to deal with traffic (particularly in NYC), and you learn some of the aspects of throttle control. On the 600cc bike, you are now free to focus on other stuff.

I am of the view that NYC riders have a different experience than the rest of the country. Instead of wide open roads, we have taxi cabs forcing us out of our lanes. Instead of learning to take curves with skill and grace, we learn to lane split and find our way around the assholes blocking our way towards a fast entrance to the Queens-Midtown tunnel. More conservativism is required for cornering due to the traffic.

Brooklyn/NYC/Urban NJ riding is waay different from the rest of the country. I don't advocate starting on a 600cc bike, but it might have been easier for you to get away with it in the city- things might have been different if you were learning to ride in California.
Im not the new rider, ive been riding for around 12yrs. And rent. For 1000 in nyc? Must be rent control cuz i pay 1800 for a 1.5bedroom apt in brooklyn. Unless u live in the projects or maybe queens its more than a G. But ya ny point exactly its a lot of money to invest for a bike u will soon be tired of. I think a 600 or if u can find an old honda interceptor 500 or something similiar is a better starter bike. Feel me?
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Im not the new rider, ive been riding for around 12yrs. And rent. For 1000 in nyc? Must be rent control cuz i pay 1800 for a 1.5bedroom apt in brooklyn. Unless u live in the projects or maybe queens its more than a G. But ya ny point exactly its a lot of money to invest for a bike u will soon be tired of. I think a 600 or if u can find an old honda interceptor 500 or something similiar is a better starter bike. Feel me?
Yeah, $1800 sounds a bit more like it, at least for Brooklyn. Wasn't sure if you had a roommate or not. I was paying $2700 in Manhattan.

Seriously, the depreciation on a Ninja 250 is nothing. A used bike is about a month's rent.
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Bored with a 600? Really? I keep hearing this and can't understand how. Sure, a liter bike can be a hoot but that by no means makes a 600 tame.

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Here's my $.02 you don't HAVE to start on a ninja 250. There are tons of starter bikes.

Yes I started on a 250, but because I wanted to. I've always liked the 250s.

I'm glad I started on a 250 for a couple reasons:

Yes the 250 is not super fast, but it's not super slow either.... 0-60 in about 5.7 seconds is not slow. That's keeping up with most sports cars.

The 250 and other starter bikes may not be as fast as the SS or liter bikes, but what they lack in straight line speed, they more than make up for in handling. Corners, turns, winding roads. The smaller bikes are a lot of fun in these areas because they respond so well. And their easier to pull back up when you Re coming out of a turn.

And also, remember that the SS bikes are heavy, and just maneuvering a heavy bike can be tiring.

If you learn to handle and maneuver on a smaller bike, you will be able to bring a SS bike closer to its potential and enjoy it more.

I rode a friends gsxr 750 around the block after having ridden my 250 for a couple months. And the transition from the 250 to the 750 was a lot less intimidating. It prepares you for controlling the sensitive throttle and the extra weight of the bike in a turn. Not just the 250, any beginner bike.

At the end of the day, the decision is yours as to what you start on. I think you also have to look at what you want to get out of riding.

Sequentialshift brought up a really good point in a thread that I have going in general sportbikes section. Basically, the point is when someone has their mind set on a bike, whether a SS or not, it's hard to change your view on getting that bike.

This is just my opinion, and some experiences I've had.

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