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Old 08-20-2007, 06:23 PM   5 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #1 (permalink)
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Are they both equally good for beginners.. or is the standard SV650 better because of the upright riding position?
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Old 08-20-2007, 06:38 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Aren`t they the same bike, but the "S" has a half front fairing?
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"In addition to the obvious differences between the S and non-S models (with the S-model sprouting a frame-mounted quarter fairing, clip-ons to replace the standard bike's tubular handlebar and more rearset footpegs), the unfaired SV has a slightly longer swingarm and wheelbase, footpegs that are lower and further forward, one-tooth-shorter final gearing and a hair more trail thanks to triple clamps with 1.5mm less offset. Note the new oil cooler on both versions"

Looks like you are right: the unfaired seems slightly better for beginners, but really I would recommend you sit on both of them (and ride them both if you can) and decide which one you prefer and feel more comfortable on.
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Neither of them are very friendly for beginners.

The S model is more uncomfortable. Their acceleration numbers are identical, as the one tooth change in gearing on the S model's advantage is negated by the adding of weight.

Take an MSF class and get a used 500cc bike to start off with. Your pocketbook and body will thank your.
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They are both quite nice but the fairing on the SVS is delicate and will crack if dropped.

The footpegs on the Nekkid are already quite high. The Nekkid is also $500 cheaper.

On the minus side the SV's has poor wind protection, and also the instrument cluster is bolted directly to the triple clamps. Every such bike I've owned except for the SV (that makes 4 nekkid bikes) has lost its tach needle from vibration/wobble. But so far it hasn't happened to my poor SV--knock on wood.

The SV and SVS is a true sporting bike; the seat is high off the ground and perches you on top of the bike. That makes it difficult to walk the bike at low speeds. I cannot flat-foot the bike and so I'm always teetering precariously one foot or the other. That might be hard for beginners.
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The sv is a nekkid, riding the svs will get u comments like "wheres the fairings, did u crack em?" and "is that a 750 without the fairings?" probably shouldnt get either bike if you are a complete noob. And the msf doesnt exclude you from noobage. Msf gives u the know how but u never actually know how untill you do it.

Of course all of this is comming from someone who started on an svs, just trying to help ya out. "get rid of the plank in your own eye before helping a another with his splinter" comes to mind. take the safest way out and get a 250 the cost alone is worth it.
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I compared the SV naked and S versions both in showrooms and by superimposing the manufacturer's photos, and the footpegs are identically placed on the frame and are the same height. Not sure where this info of differences came from (maybe the 1st gen bikes were different?).

One "problem" with the S as a beginner bike, is that the sporty ergos and the fairing do seem to encourage speed (probably not always a good thing). I have found the bike to be quite forgiving overall, but I also do have the advantage of being almost 6'3" which is helpful to get a solid foot on the ground at walking speed when necessary.
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You're probably right concretecarver, it may be old info as I got it from: http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/146_..._suzuki_sv650/
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I compared the SV naked and S versions both in showrooms and by superimposing the manufacturer's photos, and the footpegs are identically placed on the frame and are the same height. Not sure where this info of differences came from (maybe the 1st gen bikes were different?).

One "problem" with the S as a beginner bike, is that the sporty ergos and the fairing do seem to encourage speed (probably not always a good thing). I have found the bike to be quite forgiving overall, but I also do have the advantage of being almost 6'3" which is helpful to get a solid foot on the ground at walking speed when necessary.
That's the reason I'm pretty much set on getting the SV for my first bike.. I'm 6'7 and it was by far the most comfortable bike I've sat on. I sat on the 500R and felt like a freaking monster on it.
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I'd be willing to bet that the Ninja 500 is roomier for a taller rider than the SV650.

Seat height at rest doesn't dictate seat to peg and seat to bar relationships. Those are the TRUE ergonomic measurements you should be aware of.
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BMW 650 lots of leg room - seat height about 35 inches about 50 HP A lot of people are very happy with the SV in either style
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I'd be willing to bet that the Ninja 500 is roomier for a taller rider than the SV650.

Seat height at rest doesn't dictate seat to peg and seat to bar relationships. Those are the TRUE ergonomic measurements you should be aware of.
While the SV's seat is high the footpegs are also quite high. It's a tight fit indeed.

Sportbikes have the highest pegs the manufacturers can get away with because of cornering clearance problems. A standard bike would not be concerned with cornering clearance. The SV is a lot closer ergonomics-wise to "sporty" than to standard.

NOTE: I just measured the SV's seat height; it's 32 inches above the ground with me on it. My inseam is 28 inches. That 4 inches difference. I guess if you can flat foot the bike then you'd be ok. I do know a beginner biker with my legs would drop the bike at low-speed; there's no way I can flat foot both feet at the same time.
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That's the reason I'm pretty much set on getting the SV for my first bike.. I'm 6'7 and it was by far the most comfortable bike I've sat on. I sat on the 500R and felt like a freaking monster on it.
The most comfortable option for you would probably be a dualsport (e.g. DR-Z400S) or a supermotard (e.g. DR-Z400SM).
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the svs is a little higher off the ground than most sportbikes isnt it? i can flat foot it im 5 11 but I do feel a little crunchy tucked in...but thats how I like it.

You're really tall to be riding sportbikes so im sure all of them are going to be unconfortable to some extent. I vote for the most comfy for you.
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The SVS was one of the few sportbikes I've sat on that I felt like part of the bike instead of perched on top of it. But yes the pegs are pretty high for long legs! (The Ninja 500 was also quite comfortable)

The "new generation" of 600s all seem to be designed for the compact bodies of racers.. which I guess isn't all bad because it will be less tempting to upgrade the SVS when my skills finally catch up to the bike!
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