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Second, I can’t believe nobody has said this. Don’t preload the shifter, up or downshifts.
ive heard this as well, preloading the shifter supposedly wears out the dogs much much quicker.
to the OP, you definitely can and should clutchless upshift without preloading the shifter. while accelerating when you come to you shift point, quickly close the throttle, kick up a gear and reopen the throttle. not as smooth as preloading at first, but when you get your rev matching down it will be fine and your tranny will thank you
I have always called this "power shifting", I don't remember where I heard it from. I do it all the time on my dirtbike, but the thing is pretty damn bulletproof and doesn't care. Sometimes I won't use the clutch at all unless I'm stopping.
On my streetbike however, I rarely do it. It just seems like an unessesary strain on the tranny. If you are decent at shifting you should be able shift with the clutch just as fast as without. When I'm accelerating quickly, I won't entirely release the throttle when I shift, as the clutch disengages the engine power to the wheel. Clutchless shifting requires you to come off the throttle more, and therefore takes just about as long. I guess doing it for about 15 years will teach you that though.
Edit: oh, and I never knowingly preload the shifter. A quick shift at the proper engine RPM during the engine deceleration from dropping the throttle should do it.
Yes, it is possible to get smooth with clutchless upshifts, but they do take a toll on the gears and shift dogs. Maybe not right away, but I've heard of way too many riders who end up with $$$ repairs as a result after 15-20k miles.
I've been clutchless upshifting for years and years, and never had any transmission problems with my bikes. I put 32k miles on my '05 gsxr600, for example, and never had any problems out of it.
Perhaps people who have problems are doing other things (or not doing things) that contribute to the issues they have.
Skoot, if you think that is easy and feels natural, try changing to GP shift (reverse shift pattern) and see how effortless clutchless upshifts get. You don't even need to get your toe under the shifter.
I've been clutchless upshifting for years and years, and never had any transmission problems with my bikes. I put 32k miles on my '05 gsxr600, for example, and never had any problems out of it.
Perhaps people who have problems are doing other things (or not doing things) that contribute to the issues they have.
Skoot, if you think that is easy and feels natural, try changing to GP shift (reverse shift pattern) and see how effortless clutchless upshifts get. You don't even need to get your toe under the shifter.
You obviously have the right touch.
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Great.. second day riding, on a 05 ZX6R, and clutchless shifting. Honestly I bet you will crash soon.
OMG! clutchless shifting has killed soooo many people!
on my second day of riding i was clutchless downshifting and i'm still alive (it was an accident and only happened once, but it worked, and smoothly too haha)
i can't stand people with this kind of attitude. i'm all for starting small, but honestly its not instant death if you don't
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OMG! clutchless shifting has killed soooo many people!
on my second day of riding i was clutchless downshifting and i'm still alive (it was an accident and only happened once, but it worked, and smoothly too haha)
i can't stand people with this kind of attitude. i'm all for starting small, but honestly its not instant death if you don't
Nah man. When you first starting to ride, you should learn to well.. ride. Not trying to do race track type things that can get you into trouble. That's all I meant.
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