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I have read over the MSF website for my area, and over the DMVs website about motorcycle endorsement. Its a little confusing to me. So here is how I am getting it has to happen; all I have to do since I am 19 is take the basic MSF course and pass, and since it waives the SOSs riding test, I can from there get my endorsement. I also live in MI.
Yea I was asking a question, I guess I just didnt word it right. As far as the permit from the DMV goes, is it just a written test or what do you have to do for that? I thought on my local MSFs website it said if you were over 18 you didnt need the permit? Maybe I am mis reading something?
go to the dmv, take the written test, that gets you your permit which is required for enrollment in msf. pass msf you get a waiver. take the waiver to the dmv, they give you you're endorsement.
go to the dmv, take the written test, that gets you your permit which is required for enrollment in msf. pass msf you get a waiver. take the waiver to the dmv, they give you you're endorsement.
Thats funny, I was told that a permit was not required for enrollment into the MSF. I believe that at some MSF courses a permit is required and at some they are not. Check with your local MSF course and ask them if a permit is required for enrollment.
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Last edited by islanderman7 : 04-09-2008 at 02:41 PM.
Here's some more info - I just went through this all 2 years ago. I can't speak for the MSF course requirements, because I didn't take it... BUT...
First step (unless the MSF doesn't require it) is to go to the DMV and take the written test. It's somewhere around 15 multiple choice questions and it's around $10-$15 to take. If you miss more than two questions you fail. If you fail, they'll hand you a "different" test and you can go sit back down and take the test again. There's no limit to the number of tests they'll hand you. This process is stupid and I don't know why they do it. Personally I think there should be a waiting period (5 days or something) that you have to wait until you can take the test again. There are only 3 or 4 variations of the written test. If you want to cheat, you can usually find the answers online.
All of the test questions come out of a state study guide that you can find at the DMV. A lot of the questions are common sense, but some of them you really have to read the book for because the way you might do something in real life isn't the way the state tells you that you should do it, and you'd get those test questions wrong unless you know what the state would have you do.
When you pass you get a restricted license. Full restrictions are on the Michigan SOS site, but basically you can't ride at night and have to ride with another motorcyclist who has a full endorsement. It says "within the sight of" or "in the presence of" or something like that - it doesn't say that they have to be on a bike as well. We asked the local cops and they said that since the law doesn't state, you could probably get away with being followed in a car by someone who had a full endorsement.
The next step involves a common misconception - Michigan SOS/DMVs don't do road tests. You have to find a private driving school / motorcycle training school in your area that'll let you do that. The local DMV can provide you with a list. Prices for taking the "road test" at the private school vary by school. My test cost around $25. Most test sites like to do a bunch of motorcycles at a time (since they have their parking lot set up for car tests usually) so most require you to book a few days in advance so they only have to setup the course once for a bunch of testers all on the same day. I didn't really have an option but to ride my bike illegally to the testing site (it's near my work, which is an hour from home and my test was at 2 on a week day, so all of my bike friends were at work themselves). I asked the lady about it and she said "I'm not the cops, so I can't do anything really, but know that by telling you that I'm also not endorsing it... wink wink." Haha. At the test site that day there were 5 or 6 people... all rode illegally to the test.
That test is done in a closed parking lot and is basically a lot of cone riding. The state mandates what that test must consist of, so they're all the same. It's a fairly straight forward test in which the instructor will tell you to do tasks in stages and you must complete them without stalling the bike, putting a foot down, or tipping the bike over. If I remember correctly, tipping the bike over is an instant fail. You get points for the rest of the things - the more severe the more points, and getting more than 10 points means you fail. Hitting a cone was 2 points, putting a foot down was 3 or 4 points, etc.
Some of the tests include swerving in and out of a series of cones, making a U turn in a U shaped box, making a sharp right handed turn, accelerating to a certain speed and stopping with your front wheel inside a painted box without skidding a tire, driving through a set of cones and stopping as fast as possible without skidding, driving through the same set of cones and swerving around an obstacle (a painted line on the ground), etc.
I read before taking the tests in a TON of internet sites that said that they'll make you lay your bike down and pick it back up. This is a total lie.
If you don't pass you have to schedule another test and pay again. If you do pass you still aren't legal to ride by yourself until you take the little certificate the lady gives you to the DMV, at which point they'll give you a piece of paper stapled to your license, and take your picture for a new license with a "CY" endorsement on it. You get mailed the new license in 2-3 weeks.
The MSF does not require you have a permit in this state.
I just finished the 2 in class class's, it was very boring for me and another experianced rider that was there lol This weekend is the 2 class's actually being on the bikes.
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